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Irrevocable Life Insurance Trusts & Intentionally Defective Grantor Trusts

Posted on 6/6/12 at 7:37 am
Posted by krehn11
IA
Member since Jul 2011
1486 posts
Posted on 6/6/12 at 7:37 am
Does anyone know of any good literature dealing with these two topics? I am looking into whether a ILIT can be a IDGT. Thanks in advance.
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6618 posts
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:21 pm to
If you have access to the underwriting comapny for the ILIT, call th H.O. and speak to their advanced sales consultants. They are typically estate planning and tax attorneys who work solely with these issues. I understand you may be in the same field, but utilizing their expertise will likely save you time and $.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/6/12 at 8:33 pm to
Please read Section 677(a)(3) LINK. The answer to your question should beome obvious.
Posted by krehn11
IA
Member since Jul 2011
1486 posts
Posted on 6/8/12 at 8:06 am to
Thanks - the situation I am researching is an interesting situation.

IRC 677(a)(3) states that the grantor will be treated as taxed on the income used to produce the premiums, so long as the person holding the power to direct such premium payments is the grantor or a non-adverse party (such as the trustee). However, in this situation, the trustee (who hold such power) is the beneficiary of the trust, which would make him/her an adverse party ---> the ILIT is not a IDGT through this power.

Do you agree with this conclusion?
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/8/12 at 10:40 pm to
My understanding is that being an adverse party trumps being non-adverse, so it seems the trust would not be treated as a grantor trust to the trustor. The trustee however appears to be the person who would be treated as the grantor for income tax purposes. In effect the original trustor made a gift in trust for the benefit of the trustee. Given his power to determine the use of the trust income as well as the benefits therof, it seems only fair to treat the trustee as the grantor (or owner) of the trust for income tax purposes.
Posted by krehn11
IA
Member since Jul 2011
1486 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:28 am to
I've never heard of that before.......
Posted by Beer did clam
BatonRouge where CATS are RATZ
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/11/12 at 11:29 am to
Glad you learned something.
I try to understand PB's posts and it always teaches me something I didn't know, but then there is soo much I don't.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:56 pm to
Think of it as Crummey, or 5x5, power over the whole trust. The beneficiary is treated as the grantor to the extent of either power. In your case the power appears to cover the entire trust corpus and income, so the beneficiary, who is the trustee in your case, is treated as the grantor.
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