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re: Saints kept ledger, according to "sources"
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:00 am to LSForYou
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:00 am to LSForYou
The players and coaches have admitted to having a pool for big plays. It's still illegal, but it's a far cry from what runs through peoples minds when they hear "bounties." The NFL has been playing fast and loose with words, and they went way over board with punishments (for the record I do think we should have received some punishments, just nowhere close to what was handed down). Unless the NFL has information that shows without a doubt that they were targeting players for injury, then all of this is an over blown crock of shite.
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:03 am to xXLSUXx
Why would we keep a ledger 
This post was edited on 6/2/12 at 10:04 am
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:07 am to Sophandros
I'm sorry, but the notion of a ledger being kept (with proof) is about the dumbest fricking thing I've heard in a long time.
It's almost like Goodell is just trolling the media now.
It's almost like Goodell is just trolling the media now.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:10 am to Sophandros
quote:
It has since come out that the league has bullied the coaches into saying what they said and accepting their penalties by threatening them with lifetime bans.
Link from credible source?
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:11 am to Sophandros
quote:
"There was no such thing as a bounty where anyone put up money to hurt another player," said the person, who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing and related litigation is pending. "There were stupid names for legitimate plays," the person said, referring to the use of the terms "cart-offs" and "whacks." The person said the payments listed "are for big, clean plays," and that plays which were penalized usually resulted in fines.
The person?
Anonymous?
Okay
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:14 am to LSForYou
You seem to have no problem with the NFL's anonymous sources.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:20 am to Patrick O Rly
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You seem to have no problem with the NFL's anonymous sources.
That's incorrect.
Like I said, the Saints admitted to the alleged violations (Loomis CSP). I don't know about a ledger and won't rush to judgement unless there is evidence of admittance. I do know CSP an ML admitted to the violations put forth by the NFL.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:29 am to LSForYou
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Like I said, the Saints admitted to the alleged violations (Loomis CSP). I don't know about a ledger and won't rush to judgement unless there is evidence of admittance. I do know CSP an ML admitted to the violations put forth by the NFL.
Are you being willfully ignorant? They didn't write those statements. The NFL did.
Now more to the point (from my earlier post), the coaches and players admitted to have a pool for big plays. Now does that sound to you like what the NFL has been alleging? Does that sound like "bounties?" In my view the NFL has been playing a game of semantics, and they don't wanna release the evidence that they have been they've been misrepresenting the evidence they have.
The reason I believe this to be the case is because of the blatant misrepresentation of the Hargrove statement.
Now if the coaches and players are telling the truth, and all that was going on was a pool for big plays, then the NFL went way over board.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:34 am to Patrick O Rly
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Now if the coaches and players are telling the truth, and all that was going on was a pool for big plays, then the NFL went way over board.
Even Jim Brown basically said that this was bullshite yesterday on NFL network. He said that this shite has always been in the league!
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:20 pm to LSForYou
The anonymous person I quoted is the exact same source who leaked the story to Jason Cole. So if that person is not legit, then neither is the ledger story.
The quote comes from the ESPN story on the same item.
The quote comes from the ESPN story on the same item.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:50 pm to Shiftyplus1
Yet CSP and ML admit to the allegations.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:57 pm to LSForYou
They admitted to a pay for performance system, not a bounty system aimed at injuring other players.
Additionally, they "admitted" to this in a statement written by the league. Furthermore, they were threatened with lifetime bans if they didn't comply with those statements.
Additionally, they "admitted" to this in a statement written by the league. Furthermore, they were threatened with lifetime bans if they didn't comply with those statements.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:58 pm to Sophandros
He doesn't care about any of that. He keeps repeating the same thing over and over again.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:10 pm to LSForYou
quote:
It has since come out that the league has bullied the coaches into saying what they said and accepting their penalties by threatening them with lifetime bans.
Link from credible source?
A question for you:
Do you consider CBS Sports to be a credible source?
LINK
quote:
Players say they have seen the discipline letters from the NFL to the Saints' Sean Payton, Gregg Williams, Joe Vitt and Mickey Loomis. They claim those letters don't simply state the allegations and the imposed punishment. They claim the letters tell the four men, in general terms, that if they stay mostly quiet, the league will let them back into the sport after a certain number of games. (The NFL denied this, but wouldn't address other claims by Saints players.) Implied in that, Saints players say, is that if the coaches do talk, their suspensions could go longer. This is why Payton and especially Williams have said almost nothing.
This is also the reason that they just "took it" from the league, because they know that coaches and general managers don't have the same sort of protection that the players have with their union.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:53 pm to Sophandros
quote:Everyone is pointing to this new article as damning evidence AGAINST the Saints.
They admitted to a pay for performance system, not a bounty system aimed at injuring other players.
This really is so bizarre as this article, if we're taking it as true, actually helps the saints IMO. Sure it proves wrongdoing, technically speaking. But if it was all for clean hits and illegal hits were fined, doesn't that without a doubt prove that the penalties were outrageously excessive?
Posted on 6/2/12 at 1:58 pm to shel311
To a rational person, yes.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 2:25 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Are you being willfully ignorant? They didn't write those statements. The NFL did.
Link? Source?
Posted on 6/2/12 at 2:28 pm to THRILLHO
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The evidence.
He doesn't have to give anything. The commish is judge, jury, and executioner.
Get. Over. It.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 2:28 pm to LSForYou
The links and sources for that are all over this board, as those have been brought up in the months prior to your joining this site.
In fact, from the link I posted a few posts up:
Again I ask you, is CBS Sports a legitimate enough source for you?
In fact, from the link I posted a few posts up:
quote:
Williams, didn't admit to a pay-to-injure scheme in his statement, that he didn't actually write the statement (the NFL did), and he agreed to whatever the NFL wanted so he could one day coach again.
Again I ask you, is CBS Sports a legitimate enough source for you?
This post was edited on 6/2/12 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/2/12 at 2:29 pm to Sophandros
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They admitted to a pay for performance system, not a bounty system aimed at injuring other players..
The admitted to the allegations made by the NFL.
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