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GonzoLeslie 
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guess some are just not enlightened enough to totally turn a blind eye to a religion where significant and vocal sects actively seek to, continually attempt, and have recently engaged in the physical destruction of Western culture in the name of their religion.
dont get me wrong. i think religion is bad. it does little good compared the the harm it causes. the dark ages, spanish inquisition, holy wars, mormon wars (yeah, protestants), etc. etc. etc.
i am aware that there is a current flux of violent islamic emtremists. are we going to pretend there are not violent christian extremists?
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ottothewise 
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 11:55 am to GonzoLeslie)
LINK
Mormon teachings.
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The LDS scriptures declare that the ultimate goal of a Mormon is to become a god and procreate for all eternity.
nothing about Jesus in that.
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Ghostfacedistiller
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 11:56 am to GonzoLeslie)
Where do you believe hatred or at least skepticism comes of Islam comes from? Do you think it comes from the fact that they are not mainstream Christians?
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Tiger Authority
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 11:56 am to GonzoLeslie)
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i am aware that there is a current flux of violent islamic emtremists
The current flux? 
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GonzoLeslie
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 11:57 am to kingbob)
maybe in the mountain meadows massacre? but i doubt it. probably never. i am curious though... what does this have to do with anything?
i'm sure romney doesnt have respect for foreign leaders.
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ottothewise
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 11:57 am to GonzoLeslie)
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are we going to pretend there are not violent christian extremists?
yes.
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ljhog 
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 11:59 am to GonzoLeslie)
I can only think of one presidential candidate who sat in a church where the sermon was "GD Amerika". It wasn't Romney.
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 11:59 am to GonzoLeslie)
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unless that group of people are muslims apparently. then they're all terrorists. sorry, guys. hypocrisy just really gets under my skin
What is the hypocrisy at work here?
Mormonis, while certainly not mainstream Christianity, is at least a subset of the dominant relgion in America. And it is a distinctively American religion, having been founded in this country.
Given a choice between having a Muslim in office or a Mormon in office, I would think that most Evangelicals would prefer having the Mormon in office.
How is that hypocritical?
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ottothewise
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Where do you believe hatred or at least skepticism comes of Islam comes from?
a thousand years of strife and conflict over the traditional holy lands and two successful invasions by Muslim armies
into eastern Europe where we still see Bosnia a Muslim country in former Yugoslavia and
western Europe where Muslims controlled much of Spain for generations.
footnote for war history fans. Bosnians were the only non-Germans allowed into the SS during WW II.
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Ghostfacedistiller
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 12:01 pm to GonzoLeslie)
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are we going to pretend there are not violent christian extremists?
Are we going to pretend that it's an apples to apples comparison? Like Islam, there are billions of Christians in the world. Some are a little out there.
How many theocratic Christian governments threaten annihilation of other nations in the name of Christ in they year 2012? How prominent and populated are Christian Churches where their leadership encourages the use of extreme violence and death for the sake of eradication non believers and advancing their church?
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Ghostfacedistiller
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 12:03 pm to ottothewise)
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a thousand years of strife and conflict over the traditional holy lands and two successful invasions by Muslim armies
into eastern Europe where we still see Bosnia a Muslim country in former Yugoslavia and
western Europe where Muslims controlled much of Spain for generations.
Which is nearly identical to the historical relationship between mainstream Christianity and Mormanism if I recall correctly.
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ottothewise
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The LDS scriptures declare that the ultimate goal of a Mormon is to become a god and procreate for all eternity.
The Doctrine & Covenants states:
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, ...Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; ...and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, ...and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.
22 For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me. (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-22)
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, p.69 - p.70:
THE STRAITNESS OF THE WAY. Mortality is the testing or proving ground for exaltation to find out who among the children of God are worthy to become Gods themselves, and the Lord has informed us that "few there be that find it."
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, p.97 - p.98:
ALL EXALTED MEN BECOME GODS. To believe that Adam is a god should not be strange to any person who accepts the Bible. When Jesus was accused of blasphemy because he claimed to be the Son of God, he answered the Jews: "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
Joseph Smith taught a plurality of gods, and that man by obeying the commandments of God and keeping the whole law will eventually reach the power and exaltation by which he also will become a god.
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Ghostfacedistiller
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 12:07 pm to ottothewise)
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The LDS scriptures declare that the ultimate goal of a Mormon is to become a god and procreate for all eternity.
So, they do or do not want to eradicate non-believers throughout the world?
Are they more about replacement through attrition as opposed to bloodshed?
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GonzoLeslie
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not that it matters one bit.
because obama is not a muslim. this thread has gotten way off topic with the while evil of mormon vs muslim debate.
i'm just saying that if you were pissed that a muslim was going into office, you should be pissed that a mormon is.
mormons believe only those in a mormon marriage will reach the 'highest level of heaven' and chill with yahweh and all that jazz. thats one thing im sure my aunt and all her jesus friends wouldnt like too much
Lunch time
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62zip
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 12:10 pm to ottothewise)
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footnote for war history fans. Bosnians were the only non-Germans allowed into the SS during WW II.
That's inaccurate. There were also Albanian Moslems and Kosovar Albanian Moslems in the SS.
And while we're at it, let's not forget that NATO is responsible for the creation of another Moslem nation in Europe besides Bosnia.
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Tiger Authority
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How many theocratic Christian governments threaten annihilation of other nations in the name of Christ in they year 2012? How prominent and populated are Christian Churches where their leadership encourages the use of extreme violence and death for the sake of eradication non believers and advancing their church?
Good points.
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62zip
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How many theocratic Christian governments threaten annihilation of other nations in the name of Christ in they year 2012? How prominent and populated are Christian Churches where their leadership encourages the use of extreme violence and death for the sake of eradication non believers and advancing their church?
For some reason people love to compare 15th century actions by the Catholics to the actions of modern day Moslems. Moral relativism at its finest.
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ottothewise
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 12:11 pm to 62zip)
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That's inaccurate. There were also Albanian Moslems and Kosovar Albanian Moslems in the SS.
ok. I got it (bosnia) from History channel.
Link if you have one.
happy day. o
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 12:13 pm to GonzoLeslie)
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Romney's Mormon beliefs
Shouldn't matter.
Just like it shouldn't matter if Obama were Muslim or Atheist.
But it does.
So that sucks.
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| re: Romney's Mormon beliefs (Posted on 5/15/12 at 12:13 pm to GonzoLeslie)
libs also don't hate mormans the way they hate Jesus, so he likely will peel off some of the guilty white libs
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