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re: Just beat Mass Effect 3 (Spoilers and bitchfest edition)

Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:28 pm to
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
30533 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:28 pm to
I kept waiting for the little red renegade logo to flash anytime during that retarded catalyst scene.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77497 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:30 pm to
Same here. I even tried shooting him after. Didn't do jack.
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10617 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:39 pm to
Yeah, I just feel like he understood what would happen. Not that he could tell the future.


Has anyone read "The Singularity is Near"? Or familiar with the theory? Reminds me a lot of this.
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
50500 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:51 pm to
I think that introducing those concepts with fifteen minutes left in the series was a huge huge mistake. Also showing no consequences of your choices was a massive oversight. This is without any mention of the illogical scene with your crew after the relay scene.
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10617 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:55 pm to
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I think that introducing those concepts with fifteen minutes left in the series was a huge huge mistake




I agree.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 6:32 pm
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
50500 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:00 pm to
Cheers mate



See Tactical this is how people discuss things like adults. Not calling people out for "fanboy rage". None of the conversation between xXLSUXx and me was hateful or angry. Just two people postulating on the speculative mess the ending has caused.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27168 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:31 pm to
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Briefly, the ending nullifies any sense of choice or consequence. Rachni don't matter, war assets as a whole don't matter, love interests don't matter, the genophage doesn't matter. Shall I go on? Then they blatantly rip off Deus Ex and the only difference between the endings boils down to color changes.


In my opinion the different decisions you make throughout the saga was part of the journey, and they do in fact effect the story you are playing. You cannot design a game with this much choice and have have everyone come to a totally different conclusion and it still remain cannon.
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And it seems Tactical1 has ducked out again.

It's called going to work.

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Just two people postulating on the speculative mess the ending has caused.


And what mess did it cause, I mean for two adults what could it possibly do to effect you two?
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21503 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:36 pm to
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In my opinion the different decisions you make throughout the saga was part of the journey, and they do in fact effect the story you are playing. You cannot design a game with this much choice and have have everyone come to a totally different conclusion and it still remain cannon.


Funny, because the guys at Bioware said the exact opposite.

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It's called going to work.


It's ok, now that you're back we can see what you have to bring to the table. I see you didn't bring much.

Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27168 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:38 pm to
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It's ok, now that you're back


Oh I am not back. Still at the office. All you brought is my opinion is right and yours is wrong. It boils down to the "it is shite because I said so" defense.

I personally don't think the ending is the train wreck everybody would have you believe.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 6:39 pm
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21503 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:50 pm to
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All you brought is my opinion is right and yours is wrong.


No, I stated how none of your actions in the previous game matters. It doesn't matter what you did with the Rachni queen, it doesn't matter if you cured the genophage, it doesn't matter if you brokered a peace between the Geth and Quarians, it doesn't matter if you played paragon/renegade, it doesn't matter if you destroyed the Collector ship, etc. I could go on. You don't retake Earth, but you do send the galaxy back to the dark age while simultaneously killing billions and billions of people.

The entire ending is a ripoff of Deus Ex. The game's ending violates thematic elements not only established in the previous games, but elements that were specifically engineered by the game developers.

On top of that, the ending makes no logical sense. Why did the Normandy leave? How did it escape destruction when it was in the middle of a jump and the mass relays were destroyed? How did party members that were on Earth magically get on board the Normandy? What was the point of war assets and what effect did they have on the battle? Why did the Catalyst decide that organic life will ultimately be destroyed by synthetic life, especially when the exact opposite takes place in the game? Furthermore, why did it think the only solution to this problem was creating synthetic life to destroy organic life?

That's not even all of the issues that exist. Perhaps you would like to rethink your statement? Or feel free to address these points.

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I personally don't think the ending is the train wreck everybody would have you believe.



You keep saying that, but you don't say why. Maybe you just didn't understand the game/ending? I suppose that could be a possibility.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23019 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:52 pm to
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I personally don't think the ending is the train wreck everybody would have you believe


You keep saying this but never explain why.

As far as Indocrintation Theory, even if EAware comes out and says that it is a load of bull I don't care. I will go to my grave believing the IT is the real ending and that Shepard fought through it and then ripped Sovreign and the rest of the Reaper fleet a new ahole.
Posted by CornDogCologne
Mental Defective
Member since Nov 2007
8938 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:53 pm to
I was at least expecting a different ending depending on whether you were playing as a saint (paragon) or a huge dickhead (renegade). Well, aside from red, green, or blue space magic.

This whole thing reeks of Bioware phoning it in.

I wish you would share why you thought it lived up to your expectations aside from saying that we're all idiots for thinking otherwise.

This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 6:55 pm
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
30533 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:54 pm to
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You cannot design a game with this much choice and have have everyone come to a totally different conclusion and it still remain cannon.


Why do we need a "cannon" ending?

If they decide to make a movie out of the series, then the writers can decide which one of many endings is the one that works the best for a movie OR make one up themselves that works better. But there was no need to condense hundreds of choices into one ending with three different colors of explosions for the sake of cannon.

The whole series was about choice and consequences. But the final choice was blow up the universe or blow up the universe or blow up the universe.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27168 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:54 pm to
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Perhaps you would like to rethink your statement? Or feel free to address these points.


I explained it in a previous post. The decisions you make effect the journey, not the culmination of an entire saga.

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You keep saying that, but you don't say why. Maybe you just didn't understand the game/ending?


I have to explain an opinion I have to you? It's my opinion why would I have to prove my opinion to you?

I am aware that gaming forum behavior is very common to the political board behavior. Insult other peoples opinion and pass off their own as a fact.
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
50500 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:55 pm to
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I mean for two adults what could it possibly do to effect you two?




Is this a serious question? It affects how I play the game and how I'll spend my future money with the company.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21503 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:57 pm to
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I explained it in a previous post. The decisions you make effect the journey, not the culmination of an entire saga.



And I explained how that doesn't fit what the developers specifically said regarding the game and its ending.

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I have to explain an opinion I have to you? It's my opinion why would I have to prove my opinion to you?


I'll answer this with your own words:

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All you brought is my opinion is right and yours is wrong. It boils down to the "it is shite because I said so" defense.


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I am aware that gaming forum behavior is very common to the political board behavior. Insult other peoples opinion and pass off their own as a fact.



Address a single point I made. Baby steps...
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27168 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:59 pm to
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It affects how I play the game and how I'll spend my future money with the company.


In my opinion when I think of adult decisions I have to make, how the ending of one video game effects my future purchases of another one doesn't even come close to mind.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27168 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 7:00 pm to
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And I explained how that doesn't fit what the developers specifically said regarding the game and its ending.


No, you didn't actually do this.
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
50500 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 7:00 pm to
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pass off their own as a fact.




The only person presenting their opinion as fact is you. We presented evidence that contradicts your opinion therefore you defend your position even more vehemently. As you say it's a common behavior on message boards, usually included with an alarming lack of self-awareness.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27168 posts
Posted on 5/8/12 at 7:02 pm to
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The only person presenting their opinion as fact is you.


I have only said "in my opinion" several times. Where did I pass off my opinion as a fact?
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