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TigerintheNO
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


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But the thing is, he would need a Mexican, not a Cuban, to really solidify any sort of real advantage with the Hispanics.


I disagree with that.

It would give Rommey Florida, I don't think he is worried about Texas or Cali.






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tiger1014
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


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It would give Rommey Florida, I don't think he is worried about Texas or Cali.



Arizona? New Mexico?






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StrangeBrew
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


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see where several Catholic leaders have rejected the Ryan plan as counter to the church's teachings.


Can you provide a link? I am not doubting but I would like to read up on their reasoning.







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ottothewise
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


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several Catholic leaders have rejected the Ryan plan as counter to the church's teachings.

"We would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few," said the letter by 90 faculty members and priests to the Wisconsin representative.[/quote]LINK
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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) defended his budget on Thursday from criticisms that it is inconsistent with Catholic social principles. Speaking at Georgetown University, he rejected claims by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and some Georgetown faculty that his budget misinterpreted the religion's teachings.

"I suppose that there are some Catholics who for a long time thought they had a monopoly of sorts ... on the social teaching of our church," Ryan said during a speech that attracted a full audience and a number of of protesters. "Of course there can be differences among faithful Catholics on this. The work I do as a Catholic holding office conforms to the social doctrine as best I can make of it."

Ryan's proposed budget is a controversial, sweeping plan that would largely privatize Medicare and make deep cuts to programs including Medicaid and food stamps. The bill has been opposed by Democrats, including President Barack Obama, who called it "nothing but thinly-veiled Social Darwinism."

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has also opposed the budget, writing in a letter that it failed to meet moral obligations to poor people.

Ryan contended that a government-centered approach was failing the poor and that his plan would create the necessary economic growth to lift people out of poverty as well as manage the debt. "The Holy Father himself, Pope Benedict, has charged governments, communities and individuals running up high debt levels are 'living at the expense of future generations, and living in untruth.'"

"Our budget offers a better path consistent with the timeless principles of our nation's founding and, frankly, consistent with how I understand my Catholic faith," Ryan said. "We put faith in people, not in government."

Father Thomas J. Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University who helped to organize a letter from Georgetown faculty that challenged Ryan's understanding of Catholic doctrine, said the lecture left him unconvinced.



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[quote]He also argued that a "preferential option for the poor", a tenet of Catholic teaching, means that people should not become "dependent on the government so they stay stuck at their station in life".

Catholic critics say Mr Ryan's budget plan hits the poor disproportionately, including cuts to the food stamps program.




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ottothewise
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


Carollton and TN Bhoy.

I am not up on your dogma.
Does Congressman Ryan get to invent his own Catholicism?

Who is literally correct? The 90 faculty and brothers and priests of G-Town, the US bishops, or Congressman Ryan?








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TigerintheNO
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


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Arizona? New Mexico?


New Mexico has 5 electoral votes(two dozen less than Florida); with the current climate in Arizona, I'm not sure if a Mexican-American VP would help or hurt.






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djmicrobe
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


All any catholic needs to know is this,
Pope John Paul II said: Any person that does not get the issue of life correct, can not get any other issue correct because ALL issues flow from life. I do not know the exact quote, but this is close. This includes catholics that are for abortion. Anyone for abortion will not get any issue correct because ALL issues flow from life.
Most pro-death people are for programs like welfare. How has that worked out for people? the program has been a disaster. It is very harmful for women. There are young women who get pregnant on purpose so they can get their own place to live. We need to help the poor, but this program causes more harm than help. A different program is needed, but pro-death people are unable to get this issue correct. Typically, the programs these pro-death people pass and implement do more harm than good. They are incapable of creating any program that will help the poor.
Obama is one of the most pro-death politicians in history. He voted YES to allow doctors to kill a baby that survives an abortion.
Obama has clearly proven Pope John Paul II's statement true. He has basically gotten every issue wrong.
Healthcare: Wrong. It attacks catholics by violating their right to Freedom of religion. It will add billions to the national debt. There are panels that will decide if patients are allowed to receive treatment. If only 5% of people survive a specific treatment, ALL will be denied. This will ensure that there is a 100% death rate for that illness.
Stimulus: Wrong. There were NO shovel ready jobs, and he joked about it. Most of it was wasted on companies like Solyndra, bail out the rich bankers, and to pay back supporters.
Economy: Wrong. He has passed no legislation that will lead to solving the current problems. The problem is worse since he has approved over spending by $1 trillion per year.
School vouchers in Washington DC: Wrong, he cancelled them. Some of the poorest kids no longer can go to some high quality schools, thus leaving them in a bad environment which almost guarantees they will continue to be poor or drop out.
Closing Gitmo: Wrong. he signed an executive Order to close Gitmo BEFORE knowing what they would do with the prisoners there.
Illegal Immigration: Wrong. He has done nothing, and wants to interfere with states protecting the borders which is the federal gov'ts job.
Keystone Pipeline: Wrong. There is no danger to the environment, and he doesn't care. At least 20,000 people have no job because he won't let them build it.
BP Oilspill: Wrong. He shutdown production in the Gulf for months for no good reason.
Approved giving $900 million to Hezbola: Wrong, they are terrorists.
Fast and Furious: Wrong. He should have fired Holder over this, but he hasn't.
The list goes on and on and on.....
The most pro-death politician in american history has gotten no issue correct. Our country can not sustain Fore more years of this.
SAVE OUR COUNTRY AND VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!! NOT OBAMA






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evil cockroach
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


Hell, I knew a Paulist Priest who voted for Obama . Fr. Dove was his name , from California go figure . So yea, whatever.





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djmicrobe
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re: Catholic vote evenly split between Obama, Romney


Excerpt from the book They Fired the First Shot 2012:

Fr. Flood writes about the confrontation the Catholic Church now faces in our time, and the seeking of a legal means to silence Her. He writes:

“An example of how this loss of respect for the Church can occur may be seen in Germany in the mid-twentieth century.”

“In his book, Christ in Dachau, Fr. John Lenz, who was arrested for being a Catholic priest in Austria and subsequently imprisoned in Dachau, has profound insights for our consideration. He begins by saying that evil does not just spring up in a nation overnight and without reason. Rather, he says, that ‘if our Catholic Faith had really been something living, something vital to our very existence, it is doubtful whether even a proportion of our people would have fallen prey to the Nazi pseudo-religion. We had been too lukewarm,’ and many had ‘become blind to truth.’

“The lukewarmness of faith produced a cowardice in resisting, and for those who had rejected their Catholic Faith or stopped practicing it, the emptiness in their lives made them easy prey to Hitler’s new religion of power…

“‘Only those who lived in the light of Faith could recognize the danger behind the Nazi propaganda, harmless enough though it might at first appear.’As ‘no one in his senses could expect good out of evil, or happiness and prosperity at the hands of a man who denies God…even ‘good Catholics’ were led astray, for their religion had long ceased to be something which really inspired their lives and they had lost sight of the truth. Put to the test, their faith simply folded up.’

“Hence, the dark Nazi regime serves as a warning to future nations to maintain faith in Christ. The demise of a nation easily begins at the basic level of people rejecting Christ as their true King and Leader. Without His governing right hand, the lack of belief among the people can quickly spread throughout society and unto its leaders.

“Thus, it is imperative that Christ and His Church be unified with the State for the well-being of a nation.”






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