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Doctor Radical 
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 4:47 pm to ShortyRob)
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I'd want to see how the rates compared BY RACE across different geographical locations
I'd like to see people say "oh, wow, my state sucks. i don't think i'll blame white people, black people, religious people, or poor people, but instead, try to actually fix the problem."
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Poodlebrain
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 4:51 pm to C)
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My bet is socioeconomics plays a bigger role than religion. Although socioeconomics may be closely related to religion.
Many black females view having a first child while unmarried as the first step in their career path. It triggers public assistance which is the lifestyle they are accustomed to. Having a child is not an accident. It is a planned event.
I'm not suggesting that the black females do not intend to work. They just know that the child will make them eligible for food stamps, Section 8 housing assistance, Medicaid and other forms of assistance that afford the lifestyle they are familiar with.
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USMCTiger03
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:06 pm to WikiTiger)
First, what data is being used to measure religiosity for this study? There are many varying sources and many measures. Does the data look to a simply belief, or participation? Does it look at specific sect?
Which one are you or the original author cherrypicking?
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Roaad
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:08 pm to WikiTiger)
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in 2010, the birthrate for white teenagers between the ages of 15 and 19 was 23.5 per 1,000, compared to 51.5 for black (non-Hispanic) teens, and 55.7 for Hispanic teenagers
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there is little association between a state's teen birthrate and the racial breakdown of its population
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MFn GIMP
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:12 pm to WikiTiger)
Oh my word, teenagers have sex even when they are raised in religious households. Damn, who knew.
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ShortyRob
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:23 pm to Doctor Radical)
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I'd like to see people say "oh, wow, my state sucks. i don't think i'll blame white people, black people, religious people, or poor people, but instead, try to actually fix the problem."
Before you can fix a problem, you have to actually know what the problem is. Ignoring possible factors because you don't feel they're PC to talk about doesn't do much to increase the likelihood of solving any particular problem.
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Doctor Radical
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:26 pm to ShortyRob)
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Before you can fix a problem, you have to actually know what the problem is
Looks like the problem is teens having babies.
Maybe we should tell kids about sex, sex education, condoms, birth control, and how to have sex without having children.
Or.
We could keep saying "don't do it."
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ShortyRob
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:31 pm to Doctor Radical)
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Looks like the problem is teens having babies.
Is the problem uniform across races? Is the problem even caused by the same factors across races? IE, are the reasons whites get pregnant as younger teens the same as the reasons that blacks do so? Are the attitudes the same?
You want the "one size" answer of basically blaming religion but that's just silly. It seems readily obvious that this isn't a "one size" problem.
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We could keep saying "don't do it."
Do you REALLY think that's the problem? Across the board?
Cmon man. You need to step away from the keyboard a bit if you're trying to sell that.
This post was edited on 4/18 at 5:38 pm
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Doctor Radical
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:39 pm to ShortyRob)
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You want the "one size" answer of basically blaming religion but that's just silly. It seems readily obvious that this isn't a "one size" problem.
I didn't blame religion.
I blamed ignorance.
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Roaad
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:41 pm to Doctor Radical)
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Maybe we should tell kids about sex, sex education, condoms, birth control, and how to have sex without having children
LA and TX have sex ed. . .and are 2 of the biggest condom consumers.
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ShortyRob
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:43 pm to Doctor Radical)
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I didn't blame religion.
I blamed ignorance
In either case, it's kind of head in the sand to not acknowledge the racial component to teen pregnancy.
There is a difference between placing ALL blame on that and acknowledging it.
I think the reasons for girls making these poor decisions vary widely and where there are similarities, they are largely along racial lines.
IE, white girls share many of the same reasons. Black girls share many of the same reasons as other blacks. Hispanic girls etc etc.
And I'm sorry. What "ignorance" do you speak of. Pretty much 100% of the people I know who got pregnant as teens KNEW they could get pregnant and KNEW how to avoid it.
They simply CHOSE not to.
So, what "ignorance" are you speaking of?
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ShortyRob
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:44 pm to Roaad)
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Maybe we should tell kids about sex, sex education, condoms, birth control, and how to have sex without having children
LA and TX have sex ed. . .and are 2 of the biggest condom consumers.
Really. Do people still believe there are wide swaths of teenagers who don't know they can get pregnant and how to avoid it if they'd like? I mean really?
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Doctor Radical
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:46 pm to Roaad)
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LA and
Has something changed since the bill requiring comprehensive sex education failed in 2010?
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TX
An overwhelming majority of Texas school districts –
94 percent – do not give students any human sexuality
instruction beyond abstinence. Moreover, a small minority
of school districts – just over 2 percent – ignore sexuality
education completely.
LINK
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ShortyRob
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:47 pm to Doctor Radical)
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An overwhelming majority of Texas school districts –
94 percent – do not give students any human sexuality
instruction beyond abstinence
Again. Are you truly asserting that you think that there are significant numbers of sexual age teens who are not aware they can get pregnant or how to avoid it?
Cmon. Really?
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HempHead 
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:49 pm to ShortyRob)
You know all the dumbasses you know now? They used to be adolescents, and were probably even more incompetent then.
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Doctor Radical
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:49 pm to ShortyRob)
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Are you truly asserting that you think that there are significant numbers of sexual age teens who are not aware they can get pregnant or how to avoid it?
Yup.
If that's not accurate, then why are comprehensive sex education courses more successful in preventing teen pregnancy than abstinence only programs?
(citation in the pdf link above).
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ShortyRob
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:52 pm to Doctor Radical)
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If that's not accurate, then why are comprehensive sex education courses more successful in preventing teen pregnancy than abstinence only programs?
I think people are asserting things that the facts don't actually support. That's why.
As for the idea that there are wide numbers of teens that are as ignorant as you speak of.
Sorry. What the frick are you? 90 years old?
They most certainly know they can get pregnant and how to avoid it with exceedingly rare exception.
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Doctor Radical
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:53 pm to ShortyRob)
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I think people are asserting things that the facts don't actually support. That's why.
Ah. So we're down to the "those damned doctors with their damned degrees don't know what they're talking about" defense.
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As for the idea that there are wide numbers of teens that are as ignorant as you speak of.
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They most certainly know they can get pregnant and how to avoid it with exceedingly rare exception.
Your inability to refute the data makes the rest of this conversation irrelevant.
You know, you're right.
Let's just blame black people.
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USMCTiger03
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:55 pm to Doctor Radical)
Do we even know if the relevant states have abstinence only sex education? Yet another thing about this "study" that is lacking.
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WikiTiger
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| re: More on the Teen Birthrate Bible Belt Connection (Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:56 pm to Doctor Radical)
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Looks like the problem is teens having babies.
Maybe we should tell kids about sex, sex education, condoms, birth control, and how to have sex without having children.
Or.
We could keep saying "don't do it."
This pretty much sums up the point of the thread!
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