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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 11:05 am to Fun Bunch)
I'm reading the following profile from Draft Express:
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Some things that jumped out:
He shot 29% from the Free Throw line. 29%. And in his last 10 games, he shot 18% from the FTL. Good god.
He was 32% in post up/back to the basket situations, which is pretty bad.
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Besides not knowing how to establish deep post-position, his footwork, countermoves and off-hand lack significant polish, while his jump-hook is not a consistent weapon at all yet, as he appears to possess just average touch. Drummond has an odd habit of trying to shoot an odd two-handed turn-around jumper instead of a traditional hook, which is easily blockable due to its very low release point.
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One part of his game which may have more potential than we've seen thus far is as a pick and roll finisher. The pick and roll is not a major part of UConn's offense, and when their guards do run it, they rarely do so looking to pass. With the superior spacing NBA guards enjoy due to the deeper 3-point line, this is a much bigger part of most teams' offense, and Drummond seemingly possesses ideal tools to benefit from that.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 11:58 am to Jester)
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I just don't see anything "elite" in Drummond's game
but you're looking at it wrong
college production does mean something, but it doesn't mean that much...esp with only a freshman year to dissect
you have to separate the college game and nba game in your mind. there are a few stats that translate, like rebounding, but otherwise it's just not comparing apples to apples
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There will be someone with just as much "potential" available next year.
there hasn't been a 5 with this potential since bynum in 2005
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 11:59 am to teke184)
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Problem being that Drummond, as he is now, is far from the BPA until the mid-lottery.
depends on how you label "BPA" which is really tricky in a draft like the NBAs
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:00 pm to Fun Bunch)
Okay, now I'm even worried about taking him with our second pick. 
I would hate to pass on him with the physical ability he has and the potential for development under Monty Williams and staff, but we could really use two immediate contributors. Tough call, imo.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:01 pm to VOR)
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but we could really use two immediate contributors
well this brings up another angle to the science of team building: we really don't want to be that good next year
we want another shot at the lottery in 2013, along with some free agency flexibility
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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well this brings up another angle to the science of team building: we really don't want to be that good next year
we want another shot at the lottery in 2013, along with some free agency flexibility
I've tried not to think about that during the last couple of days. Now, I am far from a cap expert . . . in fact I pretty much suck at the various rules and calculations (I can balance my checkbook, however). Anyway, I've heard it suggested that with either Kaman or Okafor (or both), gone, plus others who won't be re-signed that we'll have good space even if we re-sign Gordon (I'm not so sure it will take the max contract but I could be dreaming). Am I wrong?
The point I'm fumbling for is that I think Benson and the fans are going to want to see real progress next year. Will they settle for a good season but just missing the playoffs? I have no idea what next year's draft class is like.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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there are a few stats that translate, like rebounding, but otherwise it's just not comparing apples to apples
Which is probably the most important stat for a big in the NBA, especially one that doesn't possess any shooting ability. I have demonstrated in this very thread that Drummond is a pitiful rebounder given the amazing talent some seem to think he possesses. What use is a big that can't shoot and doesn't rebound?
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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we want another shot at the lottery in 2013, along with some free agency flexibility
Not gonna happen. Depending on health I'd expect them to be a 6-12 seed meaning late lottery at best.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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depends on how you label "BPA" which is really tricky in a draft like the NBAs
Unless you are defining it as "Best Potential Available," it is pretty cut and dry. As a basketball player, he is nothing to write home about. As a tall athlete, he stands out. Maybe he could try his hand at beach volleyball.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:13 pm to TigerinATL)
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Depending on health I'd expect them to be a 6-12 seed meaning late lottery at best.
Sixth seed is very optimistic I would think, but it would definitely put Monty up there for COY.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:16 pm to VOR)
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Anyway, I've heard it suggested that with either Kaman or Okafor (or both), gone, plus others who won't be re-signed that we'll have good space even if we re-sign Gordon (I'm not so sure it will take the max contract but I could be dreaming). Am I wrong?
you're not wrong. i don't have the #s in front of me but we should have cap room if we sign gordon and give up kaman's rights
then with okafor coming off the books we'll have more, likely
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:20 pm to Jester)
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I have demonstrated in this very thread that Drummond is a pitiful rebounder given the amazing talent some seem to think he possesses
and i've said multiple times that his lack of rebounding is an effort issue
with big men, that's what it typically comes down to: how much do they want to work
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What use is a big that can't shoot and doesn't rebound?
well if you can see into the future and know that he'll never work on the court or off the court, then yeah he shouldn't be drafted until the 2nd round. you don't have that crystal ball and neither do i
expanding his entire career based on 1 season in college is silly
look at thomas robinson: couldn't even get on the floor as a freshman and avg 2.5/2.7. he's a bit better this year. hell he's a completely different player this year compared to last year, after he gave a frick and worked hard one offseason
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:21 pm to Jester)
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Unless you are defining it as "Best Potential Available," it is pretty cut and dry.
that's a big part of NBA drafting
anthony davis isn't likely going to be the best player for 2013, but he's the #1 draft pick without question
again, okafor v. howard
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:22 pm to Jester)
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As a tall athlete, he stands out. Maybe he could try his hand at beach volleyball.
because his developmental arc is already over at 18? he doesn't even turn 19 until right before the season starts and he can't improve?
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:23 pm to VOR)
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Sixth seed is very optimistic I would think,
Maybe I should have said 7 rather than 6, but the difference between the 3rd tier of playoff teams isn't that great. Injuries and hot streaks determine who is 7 and who is 12 as much as talent. Just look at the Timberwolves, if they stayed healthy all year they'd be fighting for the 7-8 seed. They got some key injuries and will likely wind up the 12 seed. Hornets will be in that group next year.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:30 pm to Fun Bunch)
DraftExpress loves his offensive rebounding and defensive work. If he is the pick, they can't expect him to play 30 mpg as a rookie. Bynum needed time, so will Drummond.
If Demps/Monty see it, it's good enough for me. I think they've earned our trust so far
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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anthony davis isn't likely going to be the best player for 2013, but he's the #1 draft pick without question
The difference is that the Unibrow produced in college and has the drive to succeed at the next level.
Drummond, though? He couldn't even succeed on a loaded UCONN team and he seems fairly unmotivated.
I don't mind using the second pick on him around the 8-10 range, but using the first pick on him is a big stretch unless we get the lottery from hell and our first pick is 6th overall.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:34 pm to corndeaux)
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DraftExpress loves his offensive rebounding and defensive work. If he is the pick, they can't expect him to play 30 mpg as a rookie. Bynum needed time, so will Drummond.
If Demps/Monty see it, it's good enough for me. I think they've earned our trust so far
I agree with this, and I recognize his potential. I recognize he has elite talent. I recognize that you have to take chance, especially in a small market, and especially with Bigs, if you want to compete for championships.
The thing that bugs me about Drummond is the perceived lack of effort. He is only 18, but you have to hope that will change at the next level.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:42 pm to Fun Bunch)
If we can't land Robinson or Davis, the next guy I want is Drummond. Like mentioned earlier, NOLA needs to draft a big if they ever want an elite one.
There are 2 or 3 guys in the draft every year who are "sure things". The rest are all risks. Guys like MKG and Beal can fail just as easy as Drummond. You just don't know.
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| re: Thoughts on Andre Drummond (Posted on 4/16/12 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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and i've said multiple times that his lack of rebounding is an effort issue
And you are willing to overlook that? I'm sorry, but not trying is about as bad as it gets. I don't want to draft a bunch of losers with soft egos.
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