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re: Is Mark Barron the most Over Rated Player being touted as a 1st rounder?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:04 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:04 pm to Tiger Ryno
Mark Barron will provide great run support in a division with strong running games.
Edited. I hate this autocorrect.
Edited. I hate this autocorrect.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:05 pm to SabiDojo
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Mark Barring will provide great run support in a division with strong running games.
you can find "strong run support" at the safety position in lots of places
no need to spend a top 10 pick on it
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
I totally agree, but he is definitely a better reach than Ryan T.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no need to spend a top 10 pick on it
Exactly, he's Roman Harper with slightly better cover skills.
Would you take Harper at #7 overall?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:15 pm to texastiger38
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well it was kind of a rhetorical question 
But yeah I don't understand the pick at all. The problem is there just wasn't an elite safety in this draft, and I knew someone would reach because of that.
But yeah I don't understand the pick at all. The problem is there just wasn't an elite safety in this draft, and I knew someone would reach because of that.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:27 pm to Crede15
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Did he really go way higher than anticipated? I think it was pretty much assumed he wouldn't be around past 14 at latest.
He went higher than most any mock I saw. He was going like 15-25 in nearly every mock.
Obviously NFL teams value players differently than analysts/fans.
I think Barron will be a solid, decent pro. I just don't think he's worth a top 10 pick.
It has nothing to do with him being from Alabama. I've repeatedly backed Richardson being worth a top 5 pick, thought Dareus would be a monster a year ago, etc.
I just don't think Barron is an elite talent.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:29 pm to Jcorye1
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I think tonight showed the NFL thought Hightower was better than Upshaw.
It showed that ONE TEAM thought that.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:32 pm to Sophandros
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It showed that ONE TEAM thought that.
Well they did trade up to get him so obviously its more than one
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:36 pm to OBUDan
I think he's a safe pick and is better in coverage than most on here seem to think. Mayock's "his floor is an all-pro safety" is a bit absurd, I wouldn't say that about any prospect at any position.
Except for the fact that there are loads of Saints fans here, I don't get the Harper comparison. Barron is a clearly better athlete. If you had told me during his college years that Harper would be a long-time starting safety in the NFL I would have been surprised because of athleticism issues.
Except for the fact that there are loads of Saints fans here, I don't get the Harper comparison. Barron is a clearly better athlete. If you had told me during his college years that Harper would be a long-time starting safety in the NFL I would have been surprised because of athleticism issues.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:49 pm to Crede15
I agree, I think the Harper comparison is harsh.
My opinion is mostly that there are so few game-changing safeties (really I can think of 2: Polamalu and Reed) that it's not a position I would invest a top 10 pick on.
He should be a good player. How much will he actually affect the game? I'm not sure if he's one of those all-pro, difference making types.
My opinion is mostly that there are so few game-changing safeties (really I can think of 2: Polamalu and Reed) that it's not a position I would invest a top 10 pick on.
He should be a good player. How much will he actually affect the game? I'm not sure if he's one of those all-pro, difference making types.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:14 pm to wildtigercat93
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Well they did trade up to get him so obviously its more than one
Not really. It still shows that ONE team thought that.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:17 pm to Spoonie Luv
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Not really. It still shows that ONE team thought that.
Not if someone above them was going to select Hightower before them, thus why the Pats moved up to get him
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:19 pm to wildtigercat93
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Not if someone above them was going to select Hightower before them, thus why the Pats moved up to get him
Wow. I'd love to be a team GM and make trades with you.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:22 pm to Spoonie Luv
How does that make sense?
Obviously they felt someone else was going to select HighTower before their pick at 27 pr else they wouldnt have given up a 4th rounder to move up to get him
Obviously they felt someone else was going to select HighTower before their pick at 27 pr else they wouldnt have given up a 4th rounder to move up to get him
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:24 pm to wildtigercat93
Did the Pats get some sort of guarantee in writing saying whoever they traded with was going to def draft him?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:25 pm to Spoonie Luv
Dude youre seriously being this obtuse?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:34 pm to wildtigercat93
Pats: Hey Team X. Are you going to take this guy with your pick?
Team X: Yes we love him. We are taking him, no doubt. (with no intention of taking him)
Pats: Well, do you want to trade?
Team X: Hmmmmm. Ok. We can trade picks if you toss in something extra.
Team X: Yes we love him. We are taking him, no doubt. (with no intention of taking him)
Pats: Well, do you want to trade?
Team X: Hmmmmm. Ok. We can trade picks if you toss in something extra.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:37 pm to Spoonie Luv
Thats not what Im saying and thats not how it works
Im not saying the team they traded with wants that guy retard. Im saying they moved up because they felt a team between 25-26 was going to either move up to get him or draft him in those spots
Im not saying the team they traded with wants that guy retard. Im saying they moved up because they felt a team between 25-26 was going to either move up to get him or draft him in those spots
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:39 pm to wildtigercat93
I know exactly what you are asying, but you have no basis for your assumptions.
You are assuming the Pats' hunch was correct. There's nothing out there to say any other team would have taken him before the Pats picked.
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because they felt
You are assuming the Pats' hunch was correct. There's nothing out there to say any other team would have taken him before the Pats picked.
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