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Scrowe 
New Orleans Saints Fan
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
700 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:00 pm to 10888bge)
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The top five percent are paying approximately 31%, on an average of incomes greater than 154k/yr. I would like to see that top 5% taxes increased to a flat 35%, drop the lower 95%, sub 154k/yr to 20-25% depending on income range. Then tax those incomes greater than 1M/year an additional 2.5% and increase the tax .25%per 1/2 mill. with no upper limit
Wow, can't believe I missed this in my first read through...
This is filled with massive amounts of dumb.
So at roughly 63M in income you start to decrease your net income for the year. Sign me up! Gross income is increasing yet my net is decreasing, completely brilliant.
At a net income of 125M your gross would be 625k according to your plan, which has awesome written all over it. 
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RedStickBR 
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2009
9173 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:05 pm to udtiger)
There's a direct correlation between how many times someone tells you, "You can trust me," and how dishonest they are.
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NC_Tigah
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2003
40700 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:06 pm to Zach)
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1. Rich people don't pay taxes. They hire accountants to get them out of paying taxes.
Actually they hire lobbyists to get Democrat Congressmen to pass loopholes to get them out of paying taxes.
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WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
11072 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:08 pm to coloradoBengal)
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Again. I don't see the relevance of "impact" if you are concerned with what is "fair".
And that's where your problem lies.
It's a HELL of a lot easier to live off of $18,000,000 than $18,000. That 10% coming off of the lower income impacts the eaner WAY more than the 10% coming off of the millionaire. So, in effect, the flat tax impacts the lower earner far more than it impacts the millionaire.
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If we want to toss out the concept of what is "fair", that's a different discussion.
C brought it up, not me, that's why I was replying to HIS post and why so many are clamoring for "relevance" from me (wonder why no one bashed C for "relevance").
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If I am receiving $15,000 a year in govt services of any kind, and only paying $10,000 a year, then I am on someone else's dime.
The millionaire benefits FAR more from gov't services than your average Joe. It's just that people don't want to recognize that.
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BayouBlitz
LSU Fan
Birmingham
Member since Aug 2007
5188 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:09 pm to udtiger)
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Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots
I'll bet you voted for Geore W.....twice. Who's the real idiot here?
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PsychTiger
LSU Fan
Land Mass
Member since Jul 2004
16521 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:09 pm to 10888bge)
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The same to you sir. You have no idea the time, care and attention I have placed upon my craft. The extra unpaid time I have worked so that everything goes according to plan. Not for praise but for doing a job well done. So do not sit on your side of the computer making judgments about me based on my retort of someone calling me lazy.
Nice to see your on-your-feet manual labor job allows you to post on TD during the day. Guess you're just putting in that extra unpaid time right now.
eta: just saw where you lost your job, but why are you loving being unemployed? You getting some of that free Obama money?
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lsu6294
LSU Fan
A house
Member since Jan 2009
4548 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:13 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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It's a HELL of a lot easier to live off of $18,000,000 than $18,000. That 10% coming off of the lower income impacts the eaner WAY more than the 10% coming off of the millionaire. So, in effect, the flat tax impacts the lower earner far more than it impacts the millionaire.
It's also a HELL of a lot easier to acquire $18,000 than $18,000,000.
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GoCrazyAuburn 
Auburn Fan
Member since Feb 2010
9239 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:13 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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It's a HELL of a lot easier to live off of $18,000,000 than $18,000. That 10% coming off of the lower income impacts the eaner WAY more than the 10% coming off of the millionaire. So, in effect, the flat tax impacts the lower earner far more than it impacts the millionaire.
And it's a he'll of a lot harder to live off of 20k than 20m. Screw the taxes. A 10% increase in the price of bread has greater impact on the 20k to. Do you argue for a progressive bread pricing model too?
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BRhuskyfan80 
Washington Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
2915 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:15 pm to udtiger)
Romney supporters are insightful, independent thinkers.
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WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
11072 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:18 pm to GoCrazyAuburn)
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And it's a he'll of a lot harder to live off of 20k than 20m. Screw the taxes. A 10% increase in the price of bread has greater impact on the 20k to. Do you argue for a progressive bread pricing model too?
Where were you when this was posted...?
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How much more than X should someone in the top 5% pay to be fair?
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coloradoBengal
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:19 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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The millionaire benefits FAR more from gov't services than your average Joe. It's just that people don't want to recognize that.
How much more? 1000x more? 10,000x more? And are you talking about financial benefit? or critical benefit to living? An argument could be made that the poor person that would (presumably) die without govt assistance owes his very LIFE to what govt services he receives. That's worth far more than a little extra police protection.
Does the millionaire get his money's worth? Or is he paying for someone else's services? Is Joe Plumber getting HIS money's worth? Where is the line? THAT"s the relevant question.
I think you'll find this line falls right on top of some others.
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LSUnKaty
LSU Fan
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
2378 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:22 pm to Scrowe)
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So at roughly 63M in income you start to decrease your net income for the year. Sign me up! Gross income is increasing yet my net is decreasing, completely brilliant.
At a net income of 125M your gross would be 625k according to your plan, which has awesome written all over it.
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GoCrazyAuburn
Auburn Fan
Member since Feb 2010
9239 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:23 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
You are trying to argue the fairness of a flat tax because it is harder to live with less money. By your argument, shouldn't every good and service be scaled for varying incomes? That is the only way to level out impact.
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LSUnKaty
LSU Fan
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
2378 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:23 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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The millionaire benefits FAR more from gov't services than your average Joe. It's just that people don't want to recognize that.
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PsychTiger
LSU Fan
Land Mass
Member since Jul 2004
16521 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:25 pm to LSUnKaty)
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The millionaire benefits FAR more from gov't services than your average Joe. It's just that people don't want to recognize that.
That one confuses me a little as well, maybe we should ask someone on the OT how millionaires benefit more from government services.
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udtiger
LSU Fan
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
18389 posts
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| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:27 pm to BayouBlitz)
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I'll bet you voted for Geore W.....twice. Who's the real idiot here?
No, I voted against Al Gore and John Kerry, and considering what complete laughing stocks they have become (notwithstanding what they were when they were nominees), and the utter disaster that is Obama, I make no apologies for those votes.
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NC_Tigah
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2003
40700 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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The millionaire benefits FAR more from gov't services than your average Joe. It's just that people don't want to recognize that.
I'm wondering if that's a perspective skewed by your own field? What are your thoughts as to costs vs those benefits for "the Millionaire Next Door"?
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coloradoBengal
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:28 pm to PsychTiger)
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That one confuses me a little as well, maybe we should ask someone on the OT how millionaires benefit more from government services.
Its a constant meme from the left, never backed up with any real numbers or specifics. The response, if any, will be "Oh, the cops protect their million dollar homes" or some such shit, which is completely ignores that increased amount of sales tax, property tax, and every other kind of consumption tax paid by the wealthy.
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BRhuskyfan80
Washington Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
2915 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:28 pm to udtiger)
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No, I voted against Al Gore and John Kerry
You can't vote against somebody unless there's only two options. Theres more options, you mindless turd.
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coloradoBengal
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
| re: Obama supporters are either willful idiots, or just plain idiots... (Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:30 pm to BRhuskyfan80)
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Theres more options,
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