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re: How many career pitching wins will get you into the HOF?
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:15 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:15 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Jamie Moyer stat of the day: 8.9% of all baseball players since 1876 with more than one plate appearance have at one point faced Moyer
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Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:15 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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The best lefties in my lifetime are Randy Johnson and Tom Glavine.
And they were very good. BUT NOT as GREAT as Koufax was. The dude won 5[FIVE]E.R.A. titles on a row.
And pitched when you only had a 4 man rotation. 
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:18 pm to dukke v
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The BEST LEFTY OF ALL TIME. There IS no debate.
Did something happen to Lefty Grove I'm not aware of? Randy Johnson also has a pretty spectacular case. The Big Unit played in a tougher pitching era, has the best K/9 ratio of all time, and 300 wins. He was able to keep pitching past his peak.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:20 pm to Baloo
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Did something happen to Lefty Grove I'm not aware of?
Very good.
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He was able to keep pitching past his peak.
A key point. BUT what happens IF Sandy could have pitched another 8-10 years???? For what Koufax did while IN his prime is better than ANY PITCHER EVER. Think about it.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:24 pm to dukke v
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The dude won 5[FIVE]E.R.A. titles on a row. And pitched when you only had a 4 man rotation.
The Big Unit won the strikeout title five times in a row. And he won it four times in a row, previously. He won NINE strikeout titles. He did win four ERA titles, though not in a row.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:26 pm to Baloo
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Did something happen to Lefty Grove I'm not aware of? Randy Johnson also has a pretty spectacular case. The Big Unit played in a tougher pitching era, has the best K/9 ratio of all time, and 300 wins. He was able to keep pitching past his peak.
Hell, I would throw Spahn in the discussion as well.
My order would probably be Grove, Johnson, Koufax, Spahn.
Koufax had an insane peak (maybe only matched by Pedro), but I would take the career work of Grove or Johnson above Koufax.
I am not going to speculate how Koufax would have done with a full career cause he did not have one. His limited production was fantastic, but it does not surpass Grove or Johnson IMO.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:31 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Koufax had an insane peak (maybe only matched by Pedro), but I would take the career work of Grove or Johnson above Koufax.
I have NO prob with this. What I will never forget is the 1966 WS when the Dodgers scored only 2 Runs the whole series. What a pitching series that was.
What Koufax did that year was AMAZING. 27-9 with a 1.73 E.R.A. led the league in K's with 317. 41 starts and 27 complete games.And 5 shutouts.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:32 pm to Baloo
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The Big Unit won the strikeout title five times in a row. And he won it four times in a row, previously.
I think he had 4 in a row twice, then another, not sure if he had 5 straight. But considering he had four straight while in the same league as Clemens(4,600+ Ks), makes it more impressive.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:55 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Wins also mean you were consistent over a period of time if you average 15 wins per year over 15 years. That's 225 wins there and with a year or two more they get to 250 and that's HOF worthy IMO.
Being good for a long time is not worthy of the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame is for great players.
Forget benchmarks guy like Pedro could of retired in 2003 with 160 wins and he would still more worthy of the HOF than a lot of 300 game winners
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 1:56 pm
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