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re: Weigh in with your thoughts on the pregame prayer
Posted on 4/9/12 at 7:29 am to LSUIEGRAD13
Posted on 4/9/12 at 7:29 am to LSUIEGRAD13
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I don't see why non-Christians and atheist get so pissed about prayer. Some of my friends from school are Muslim and when they pray I just stand to the side and let them. When I pray my atheist friends don't say anything and let me pray. If you don't believe in it don't join it. The facts are that they majority of the country/New Orleans are Christians so if they want to have a group prayer they should and if you don't believe in this, don't participate. Seems easy to me.
1st response knocked it out of the park..
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:22 am to MinnesotaTiger
I dont necessarily disagree with your point, but your reasoning -- that New Orleans is a diverse city -- is way off. Ethnically, it may have been diverse in comparison to other American cities in its first 150 years. Religiously? Not even close. Historically, New Orleans is one of the least diverse cities in America when looking at religion. It has been Roman Catholic from the very beginning, and that Catholic influence sways every bit of life in the city. New Orleans culture is at its heart Euro and Caribbean Catholic. A person who doesn't understand Catholicism will never understand the culture of New Orleans or be a part of it.
FTR, I am generally against such public displays of piety because piety is rarely the reason for the display. I'm also against all the nationalism on display at our sporting events.
FTR, I am generally against such public displays of piety because piety is rarely the reason for the display. I'm also against all the nationalism on display at our sporting events.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 9:29 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:33 am to TulaneLSU
What he said^^
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:44 am to MinnesotaTiger
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where I'd imagine a large number of prime season ticket holders are Jewish (Morris Bart is a prominent example who immediately comes to mind)
correct me if I'm wrong, but when Shinn was the owner, it seemed to me like 4-5 games a year involved a Rabbi leading the prayer. I lost track of how often it was or if it has happened this year (my company moved to the northshore, so I usually miss the prayer and the first few minutes of the games), but I know in the past Jews have prayed.
If you are that upset about it, complain to the NBA & your ticket rep. I have complained to both about other issues the NBA/Hornets participate in that I disagree with.
ETA: if you disagree with it that much, don't get season tickets and tell the Hornets why. if I cared enough about the issues I disagree with them on, I'd drop my tickets. But I like having NBA basketball in Nola too much for that.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:27 am to Jester
quote:jesus man you are deflecting like a son of a bitch every post i do you take out of context and attack it incorrectly. your response has absolutely nothing to dude with the content and purpose of my post
FIFY. Ask yourself, what do the Easter Rabbit and Santa Clause represent? I don't remember magic bunnies and elves in Revelations. I could see this type of ignorance pervading in 400 C.E., but you have the ability and information available to learn the history of what you are trying to support.
eta: and also read my other responses if you havent you are attacking me the wrong way its not even close to my system of beliefs
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 11:34 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:05 pm to Fearthehat0307
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your response has absolutely nothing to dude with the content and purpose of my post
this made me laugh haha
....funny brain fart Dude tomorrow is already the tenth.....
Far out man
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:26 pm to TulaneLSU
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FTR, I am generally against such public displays of piety because piety is rarely the reason for the display. I'm also against all the nationalism on display at our sporting events.
This is exactly my primary point. It cheapens true personal religious faith and turns it into a spectacle . . . a group jerk fest. As I said, it seems to me to be an anachronism I mean, why don't we just say the Pledge of Allegiance right after the national anthem while we're at it . . . and then recite the Boy Scout oath/
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:28 pm to Fearthehat0307
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c'mon man that was obviously a joke. i know you getting up there in age but your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning too i guess
Okay, so now you're hitting below the belt (not that I'd notice at this stage of life).
Actually, I was no my phone and was bored when I saw your post. Had to retort.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:34 pm to VOR
I'm not reading through this entire thread, because I can tell you almost exactly how it went without reading it. However;
I do not like the pre-game prayer at all. It is a completely inappropriate atmosphere for such a thing and I've ever seen it in any other professional sporting venue. Get rid of it, pronto. It makes us seem backwards, to be honest.
I do not like the pre-game prayer at all. It is a completely inappropriate atmosphere for such a thing and I've ever seen it in any other professional sporting venue. Get rid of it, pronto. It makes us seem backwards, to be honest.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:41 pm to Pendulum
quote:damnit didnt even notice that since you made it known i will leave it like that because it is a pretty funny mistake
this made me laugh haha ....funny brain fart
Posted on 4/9/12 at 2:17 pm to Fearthehat0307
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jesus man you are deflecting like a son of a bitch every post i do you take out of context and attack it incorrectly
I haven't attacked anything "incorrectly." I get your point about having days off for "Christian" holidays, but it's a dumb point at best.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 5:08 pm to Fun Bunch
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It makes us seem backwards, to be honest.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:59 pm to Fun Bunch
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It makes us seem backwards, to be honest.
This should have been a larger part of my rant.
New Orleans is NOT some Bible-belt town. Catholics are in many ways the "coolest" sect of Christianity in that they drink, dance, party, etc. etc.
This type of prayer is way more "Baptist" or "non denominational" and fits more in a town like OKC or Charlotte or even Dallas. Not NOLA.
One last note, can you imagine one of those uber-liberal tourist families like you sometimes see in the French Quarter - say they're a family of 4 from Germany... Dad has the socks/sandals combo on, mom has the fanny back, they buy the 17 year old daughter a beer at the game b/c that's what Germans do...
Can you imagine their reaction and puzzlement over a group prayer like that? They'd likely stand out of respect but they'd be absolutely floored.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:31 pm to MinnesotaTiger
The pregame prayer is completely awkward. It's a remnant of Shinn that needs to go. Not like I'm at all offended by it or anything, it's just an incredibly strange setting for it that certainly doesn't help build pregame atmosphere moments before tip-off.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/12 at 2:30 am to MinnesotaTiger
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we're a progressive, world-class
yeah, i see other cities are taking to our blue tarp on the roof 7 years later trend....
look, i love new orleans... had katrina never happened, we'd still be there, but to put progressive and world class in the same sentence when referring to new orleans is comical.....
Posted on 4/10/12 at 3:41 am to chRxis
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had katrina never happened, we'd still be there, but to put progressive and world class in the same sentence when referring to new orleans is comical.....
Katrina is the best thing that ever happened to New Orleans. We're closer to being world-class now more than ever.
And when I initially said "world-class" I meant as a destination city. People fly from all over the world specifically to visit New Orleans. There's only a handful of American cities who qualify for that distinction.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 8:31 am to MinnesotaTiger
You are a bloviating buffoon.
The Roman Catholic Church has for two thousand years made public prayer a part of Christendom. You've clearly never been to Europe if you believe Christendom and public expressions of Christianity are dead there. Religious education by Christian clergy is conducted in most European nations, from the United Kingdom to Germany. Tax dollars are used to pay for this state religious education. Back to the Hornets, are you forgetting that the Hornets used Archbishop Aymond as a principle player in their most recent ad campaigns?
Since New Orleans isn't a Christian city, which is the essence of your claim, I guess we need to clear away any religious symbolism around town. Get the iconoclasm steamroller warmed up: got to get rid of the Saints, our city square, Jackson Square, streets named after saints. By the time we're finished, we'll be left with Dallas.
You base far too much of your writing on unsubstantiated opinion and stereotype even to call what you're writing an argument.
You're also a moron if you think Katrina was the best thing that ever happened to New Orleans. Such a short-sighted, ignorant person.
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This type of prayer is way more "Baptist" or "non denominational"
The Roman Catholic Church has for two thousand years made public prayer a part of Christendom. You've clearly never been to Europe if you believe Christendom and public expressions of Christianity are dead there. Religious education by Christian clergy is conducted in most European nations, from the United Kingdom to Germany. Tax dollars are used to pay for this state religious education. Back to the Hornets, are you forgetting that the Hornets used Archbishop Aymond as a principle player in their most recent ad campaigns?
Since New Orleans isn't a Christian city, which is the essence of your claim, I guess we need to clear away any religious symbolism around town. Get the iconoclasm steamroller warmed up: got to get rid of the Saints, our city square, Jackson Square, streets named after saints. By the time we're finished, we'll be left with Dallas.
You base far too much of your writing on unsubstantiated opinion and stereotype even to call what you're writing an argument.
You're also a moron if you think Katrina was the best thing that ever happened to New Orleans. Such a short-sighted, ignorant person.
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 8:36 am
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:41 am to chRxis
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but to put progressive and world class in the same sentence when referring to new orleans is comical.....
By some measures the city is, indeed, world class. And I've been a lot of places.
Now your point is well taken in some respects when it comes to "progressive". However, I assure there are substantial improvements occurring in the city, and they will continue. There is a measurable and substantial influx of new talent that will continue for the foreseeable future.
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