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los angeles tiger  LSU Fan 1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium Member since Oct 2003 54248 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:12 pm to BeeFense5)
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Another thread full of toddy bull shite that got absolutely assaulted by facts.
Toddy is petitioning for this to be a hate crime, because he has been "assaulted."
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RCDfan1950  LSU Fan United States Member since Feb 2007 6631 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:15 pm to Colonel Toddy)
That a particular issue is 'allowed', is no different than said allowance could be considered a form of promotion. Witness the current ACLU attack on prayer in the military; the military is no longer able to mention the name of Jesus in it's prayer. Such would be promotion. Given that axiom...would not the policy allowance of homosexuality, be - in effect - an encouragement of said behavior? And as such, be government usurping the practice of religious belief? In that many Charter schools may be religious based? I don't know; but such would certainly apply in the case of Catholic private schools. Do they really expect the religious institutions to REWRITE THE BIBLE, cause those who choose to live contrary to it's exhortations and pronouncements are 'judgmental'. There are a ton of natural behaviors, that are problematic if adopted as being a healthy societal practice. My healthy chickens, will gang up and peck a sick one; maybe they know something we don't. Bottom line...our law and society allows one to do what you will, as long as you don't personally harm anyone. Consequences will bear witness to the wisdom therein. But don't expect your choices (Natural or subjective), to be accepted or promoted as of equal value, in the greater societal politic. And don't think you will be able to usurp parents rights to teach their own children according to their religious belief. That would be tyranny. And a just cause for the violent rejection of such. Just sayin. Freedom rocks. 
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:16 pm to Layabout)
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This bill allows schools to discriminate on a wide range of criteria, including, but not limited to, sexual orientation. It's just a bad bill introduced with the meanest of intentions.
This... I don't see how people miss what's going on here.
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Colonel Toddy  Ole Miss Fan Atlanta Member since Jul 2010 19384 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:17 pm to BugAC)
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You have a brain, use it.
Umm, I have a brain. Why do you think the Louisiana Family Council is supporting this action? Good grief. You are not this clueless I know.
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CITWTT  LSU Fan baton rouge Member since Sep 2005 25189 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:18 pm to Layabout)
So you have the ability to get into the brains of other indivuals and determine what they intend to do/act upon. When did you acquire this gift of discernment? What the F am I thinking about NOW?
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MFn GIMP  LSU Fan Somerset, Kentucky Member since Feb 2011 7010 posts
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:19 pm to Layabout)
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That's the bill and it limits the definition of discrimination to what is already codified in Louisiana law. However, schools are held to a higher standard that includes additional categories like sexual orientation and athletic performance.
Show me in Louisiana Law where that is true. It surely isn't true in federal law or else Democrats wouldn't need to introduce legislation like this
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Legislation introduced Wednesday by U.S. Rep. Jared Polis, a Democrat from Boulder, would make discrimination or harassment of gay, bisexual or transgender students in public schools against federal law. The bill effectively extends the same protection against discrimination that exists for women and minorities in public schools to gender identity or "perceived gender identity," allowing victims to sue schools in federal court.
LINK So show me where sexual orientation is a protected class in Louisiana.
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BeeFense5  Notre Dame Fan New Orleans Member since Jul 2010 15810 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:20 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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Colonel Toddy
So this is all about wanting to be "protected class"? I'd be embarrassed if I were you. Being a protected class is nothing but a crutch and makes you look inferior because you need help from the government to get your way. You seem to stop at nothing for the goal of legislated acceptance.
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:21 pm to los angeles tiger)
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Someone needs to remind Toddy of all his despicable acts, such as petitioning for closures of restaurants, removal of apps, etc. I find what Toddy does to be even more despicable.
Aren't you gay, LAT? 
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JLSIX  New Orleans Saints Fan New Orleans, LA Member since Apr 2010 15369 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:21 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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Colonel Toddy
Hacks gonna hack.
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MFn GIMP  LSU Fan Somerset, Kentucky Member since Feb 2011 7010 posts
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:24 pm to Colonel Toddy)
Current anti-discrimination laws for Louisiana's public education system. RS 17:111
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§111. Discrimination in public schools prohibited; pupil assignment; religious educational institutions A. No person shall be refused admission into or be excluded from any public school in the state of Louisiana on account of race, creed, color, disability, as defined in R.S. 51:2232(11), or national origin. B. Except with the express approval of a board of education or school board having jurisdiction, a majority of the members of such board having been elected, no student shall be assigned or compelled to attend any school on account of race, creed, color or national origin, or for the purpose of achieving equality in attendance or increased attendance or reduced attendance, at any school, of persons of one or more particular races, creeds, colors or national origins, and no school district, school zone or attendance unit, by whatever name known, shall be established, reorganized or maintained for any such purpose, provided that nothing contained in this section shall prevent the assignment of a pupil in the manner requested or authorized by his parents or guardian, and provided further that nothing in this Act shall be deemed to affect, in any way, the right of a religious or denominational educational institution to select its pupils exclusively or primarily from members of such religion or denomination or from giving preference to such selection to such members or to make such selection to its pupils as is calculated to promote the religious principle for which it is established.
Hmmmm, it seems like sexual orientation is not a protected class in the Louisiana education system unless you want to classify it as a "mental impairment" when it most certainly is not.
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maine82  LSU Fan Member since Aug 2011 543 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:27 pm to MFn GIMP)
This is what was reported in the Times-Picayune this morning:
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State Sen. A.G. Crowe would have us believe that Senate Bill 217, his attempt to prohibit government contracts from including broad nondiscriminatory language, is a dry, legalistic matter. No, this isn't about promoting intolerance, Crowe's designated surrogate, LSU law professor Randy Trahan, insisted during last week's Labor Committee hearing on the bill. It's merely about the separation of powers, about executive agencies usurping legislative authority by imposing conditions lawmakers haven't specifically authorized. Like the Department of Education, which requires publicly funded charter schools to swear they don't discriminate based on a list of criteria including special needs, athletic ability, English language proficiency, and the big one, sexual orientation. "The point of this bill is very simple," Crowe said. "Stick to the law." Those were his words, anyway. Too bad they were belied by just about everything about the hearing he chaired. There was the testimony of his star witness, Leslie Ellison, who introduced herself as the president of a New Orleans charter board she refused to name (it's Milestone SABIS academy, according to the school's website). She clearly tipped proponents' hands when she recounted her offense at being asked to sign a charter renewal containing the non-discrimination language. Citing "religious purposes" and "religious freedom," she said she refused to endorse the document, and pointed to the sexual orientation provision as the reason why.
LINK Clearly this sexual orientation provision in the Department of Education comes from somewhere.
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Jim Rockford  LSU Fan Member since May 2011 23239 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:30 pm to Colonel Toddy)
Tony Perkins is for it. That tells me a lot.
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MFn GIMP  LSU Fan Somerset, Kentucky Member since Feb 2011 7010 posts
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:30 pm to maine82)
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Like the Department of Education, which requires publicly funded charter schools to swear they don't discriminate based on a list of criteria including special needs, athletic ability, English language proficiency, and the big one, sexual orientation.
So the Education Department was going beyond Louisiana Law to require non-discrimination based on sexual orientation. Which is interesting because the Charter School law doesn't mention sexual orientation and neither does any part of the Louisiana Revised Statutes. Executive Departments don't have the constitutional power to add groups to the list of protected classes.
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maine82  LSU Fan Member since Aug 2011 543 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:32 pm to MFn GIMP)
So you don't object to taxpayer-funded, charter schools being able to eject or reject gay students from attending? Because that looks like what the Department of Education guidelines are designed to prevent.
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constant cough  New Orleans Saints Fan Lafayette Member since Jun 2007 28398 posts
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:33 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools
So then if they just stay in the closet they won't get banned. Not seeing what the problem is here Toddy.
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Interception Providence Fan Member since Nov 2008 8614 posts
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:33 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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In a move that is backed by the Louisiana Family Council, a state Senate committee has approved a GOP bill that would make it legal for charter schools to refuse admittance to gay children. The bill also authorizes schools to turn away students with poor English skills and with physical challenges. Charter schools are private institutions contracted by the state to serve public school students.
How does everyone interpret this paragraph? At first glance this looks awful, but I really want to know the logic for supporting this type of legislation. Is this to stop disabled children, gays and students who don't speak English fluently from using an excuse to enter charter schools based on discrimination? Is it appropriate to allow charter the ability to block children from entering based on English Fluency, being disabled or sexual orientation?
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Colonel Toddy  Ole Miss Fan Atlanta Member since Jul 2010 19384 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:37 pm to Layabout)
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This bill allows schools to discriminate on a wide range of criteria, including, but not limited to, sexual orientation. It's just a bad bill introduced with the meanest of intentions.
Exactly. And EVERYONE that has participated in this thread realizes this. It strips away the anti-discrimination clause that the Louisiana Dept. of Education has in place. OF COURSE, it doesn't say specifically that gay kids can be kicked out. But it does strip away the LA Dept. Education anti-discrimination clause which protects gay kids. It is SAME thing. Again...will ANYONE please tell me why the Louisiana Family Council is supporting this legislation??
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Jim Rockford  LSU Fan Member since May 2011 23239 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:39 pm to Interception)
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How does everyone interpret this paragraph?
the sexual orientation provision aside, it lets charter school cherry pick their students. They take the kids they want, leaving the problem kids for the public schools to deal with. Then when they don't perform up to standard, the privatization crowd will say "see, we told you so. Public schools suck!" It's all very transparent.
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MFn GIMP  LSU Fan Somerset, Kentucky Member since Feb 2011 7010 posts
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| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:39 pm to Interception)
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Is this to stop disabled children, gays and students who don't speak English fluently from using an excuse to enter charter schools based on discrimination
Umm you should probably learn how to read because the schools can't discriminate against anybody based on federal or state law and the proposed legislation specifically says you can't discriminate based on disability. You can look up how the state defines "disability" it's pretty lenient. And this bill is nothing more than a restatement of current law. I have provided numerous links to the current Charter School Law and the Louisiana Revised Statute on discrimination in education. You should probably read them.
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So you don't object to taxpayer-funded, charter schools being able to eject or reject gay students from attending? Because that looks like what the Department of Education guidelines are designed to prevent
I don't believe sexual orientation should be a protected class and neither does the state of Louisiana or the federal government.
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Layabout  UNO Fan Baton Rouge Member since Jul 2011 4467 posts

| re: LA Senate panel approves bill to allow banning gay kids from charter schools (Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:40 pm to MFn GIMP)
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So show me where sexual orientation is a protected class in Louisiana.
It's not. That's the whole point. The bill in question limits the protected classes to only those already spelled out in state law.
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