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secfan123
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bullshite! If we define racism as bigotry based on skin color, there are very few places in the world that can compare to the U.S. Just look at our history.


no one defines racism that way. Racism is defined based on race, which may or may not have to do with skin color, but just to throw a little history at you: pogroms in russia, holocaust in germany, armenian genocide in turkey, 6000 chinese killed in one day in singapore (more than the total number of black lynchings between 1882 and 1968), 500,00 tutsi's. Dont be naive.



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trackfan
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no one defines racism that way. Racism is defined based on race, which may or may not have to do with skin color, but just to throw a little history at you: pogroms in russia, holocaust in germany, armenian genocide in turkey, 6000 chinese killed in one day in singapore (more than the total number of black lynchings between 1882 and 1968), 500,00 tutsi's. Dont be naive.

Did you read the rest of the thread? I mentioned these things in my post at the bottom of page 2.






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trackfan
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Saying black-Americans may be more generally well received outside of the US than they are here (which, I'm not sure is currently accurate, but I will assume is for sake of this discussion), does not necessarily mean that there are not currently places where other minority races are not treated worse in those places than black-Americans currently are in America.

Agreed. In 2012, systematic racism is not the major obstacle for Blacks in the U.S. but I'm never claimed that Blacks were still oppressed. I'm just saying that race is still the biggest fault line in our society.






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Scruffy
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I think that many, if not most, racists are racist on a subconscious level and are unaware of it.
Such a funny statement.

If a person is racist, yet they are unaware that they are racist, can they be blamed for their racism? Can they even be called racist if they aren't consciously aware that they are racist?

Where do you draw the line? Hell, is there even a line?

Also, that is a pretty negative view of your fellow man.






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secfan123
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Did you read the rest of the thread? I mentioned these things in my post at the bottom of page 2.


you did not mention any of the examples i dod. youre equating racism with the color of one's skin, whicj is an incorrect way to look at it, and then saying because racism is most identifiable with skin color in america, its worse here than anywhere else based on history. Thats not true either.



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ChoupiqueSacalait
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walk into any black barbershop in America and you'll hear what true racism is.


In the interest of equality - since I'm THAT awesome - I offer another experience that gives the flip-side of my previous one...

The first place I rented an apartment when I moved to New Orleans was in Bucktown. I didn't know the area, but the apartment was available and I could afford it.

I went to a barber shop in the area to get tightened up. After asking me how I wanted it cut, the small talk went straight to "goddamn n!ggers" this, "violent n!ggers" that. The guy never saw me before but was certainly comfortable enough with me to engage me in idle chatter of this sort to pass the time.

I was disgusted enough to break the lease after I found another place to live uptown. Alas, I was soon to discover the wonders of black racism directed towards me.






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CptBengal
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Alas, I was soon to discover the wonders of black racism directed towards me.



Grew up in Philly, lived in Miami before coming to LA.

Never seen racism from the black community like i did the first time i went out in NOLA with some black friends and they took me to a predominantly black club.

Bouncers didnt even want to let me in because I was..."whitey".






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CarrolltonTiger
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I was disgusted enough to break the lease after I found another place to live uptown.


You felt entitled to break a civil contract because of an experience you had at a barber shop which was in no way connected with your lease agreement?







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trackfan
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Any Black person who has had the opportunity to travel much will tell you that there skin color doesn't matter nearly as much outside of this country as it does in this country.


I doubt this is true,

I can't refer to a scientific poll, but I have a ton of anecdotal evidence from both people I know personally and from celebrities and people of historical significance. What are you basing you opinion on?
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but it really depends on where this notional black person travels. And who he comes in contact with. The more familiarity the group has with Blacks the less likely they are to not be what you consider "racist".

That's total bull shite but I guess I shouldn't be surprised based on other statements I've read from you regarding your feelings towards Blacks. I will say that historically speaking, minorites in any society are tolerated in small numbers, but as the numbers grow, so does the resentment.
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In much of Asia Blacks are not greatly admired, racism against blacks is very strong in the former soviet block.

I never claimed that the world was colorblind outside of the U.S. I'm only saying that skin color doesn't play as big a role as it does in this country. It's funny you mentioned Asia since James Meredith said that his experience in Japan while serving in the Air Force inspired him to join the Civil Rights Movement when he returned home. Maybe the Japanese were racists, but accoridng to Meredith they treated him a lot better than Whites back home did and if he could treated with respect abroad, he didn't see any reason why he shouldn't demand that treatment at home. AZ Young and Medgar Evers who bought fought in Europe in WWII, bought told similar stories of enlightenment when they interacted with Europeans.






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trackfan
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Did you read the rest of the thread? I mentioned these things in my post at the bottom of page 2.


you did not mention any of the examples i dod

I did mention Rwanda, but did you expect me to name every incident of racial, religious and ethnic strife in history? That would take pages. Didn't I cover that when I used the phrase "many other places in the world that have seen revolution, civil war and terrorism in recent years"?
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youre equating racism with the color of one's skin, whicj is an incorrect way to look at it, and then saying because racism is most identifiable with skin color in america, its worse here than anywhere else based on history. Thats not true either.

You didn't read my post did you? Did you not read this "man has always been creative when it comes to inventing ways to hate each other, so don't spend too much time thinking about the racism which is a relatively new form of bigotry in man's history"?






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CarrolltonTiger
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I can't refer to a scientific poll, but I have a ton of anecdotal evidence from both people I know personally and from celebrities and people of historical significance. What are you basing you opinion on?


You think celebrities and people of historical significance may be atypical of how your average traveler may be perceived. I base this on my experience travelling, experience with how US troops are treated by local nationals, and opinions of foreigners who hav shared their views on race.

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I will say that historically speaking, minorites in any society are tolerated in small numbers, but as the numbers grow, so does the resentment.



That is pretty much what I said. Places where a negro is novel may not have any preconceived opinions.

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Maybe the Japanese were racists, but accoridng to Meredith they treated him a lot better than Whites back home


His experience may have been very unique, The Japanese are very racist and blacks are pretty much at the bottom of the racial heap.

Perhaps the civil rights advocates have a reason to boast about thier acceptance overseas to help thier argumetns about racism here? No doubt there are segments of Europe that are fond of Negores, and I submit they are largely not dealing with the dysfunction but the celeberities and personalites.







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secfan123
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You didn't read my post did you? Did you not read this "man has always been creative when it comes to inventing ways to hate each other, so don't spend too much time thinking about the racism which is a relatively new form of bigotry in man's history"?


First of all, racism isnt new. ITs pretty old. Second of all, the idea that your trying to equate racism and skin color is still wrong. Skin color is simply used here because its most easily identifiable. here was your statement:


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bullshite! If we define racism as bigotry based on skin color, there are very few places in the world that can compare to the U.S. Just look at our history



the first bold part is a very incorrect definition of racsim.

the second part is utter nonsense, as the places i listed had race problems every bit as bad or worse than ours.






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ChoupiqueSacalait
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You felt entitled to break a civil contract because of an experience you had at a barber shop which was in no way connected with your lease agreement?


I didn't feel entitled to anything. I told the landlord I wanted to move and was told I'd lose my deposit. I said keep it.

What's so funny? I lived there long enough to realize I didn't want to live there any more and moved.






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CarrolltonTiger
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I lived there long enough to realize I didn't want to live there any more and moved.


So your horrible trip to the barber shop was not the precipitating cause of your breaking the lease contract as indicated in your earlier post?






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bayou2003
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Grew up in Philly, lived in Miami before coming to LA.

Never seen racism from the black community like i did the first time i went out in NOLA with some black friends and they took me to a predominantly black club.

Bouncers didnt even want to let me in because I was..."whitey".


I've noticed the blacks down there don't like interracial couples. I know from first hand experience in New Orleans and Monroe. We got death stares, you could hear people making comments low enough so you could hear. People looked at us as if we were celebritie, guess there's not much interracial dating down there or it's not as open as it is up here. The whites didn't care as much as the blacks.



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ItNeverRains
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Theirry Henry says move to US due to European Racism

This would be like D Wade leaving the NBA to go play ball in India due to racism.

You have either never been abroad or are blissfully clueless when it comes to European racism.






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Zach
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Wrong about what?

The US is the least racist nation. The fault lines in Mexico and Cuba are skin color. My DIL is Mexican. She is very light skinned Spanish. She hates Aztecs. Considers them low class stupid idiots and she recognizes them by skin color.

My dad worked in Cuba with his father. He thought Spanish girls were cute and asked them out for dates. They refused to go playing tennis in mid day because the sun would make them darker and resemble blacks. They would only go out in the late evening.

Koreans hate Japs. It's physical appearance. They can tell each other apart without an I.D.

Indians hate Pakis. Now that's tough cause they sure look alike to me.

Everyone hates Jews and I can pick one out at 100 yards even without my glasses. Here's one who recently bragged about her new breast implants. Sorry, not gonna distract the eye from her ugly arse hair:



I'm hoping that this is a pre boob job pic. Otherwise, she got ripped off.











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trackfan
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You think celebrities and people of historical significance may be atypical of how your average traveler may be perceived.

When I talk about celebrities, I don't mean people who were celebrities at the time they reported on their experiences abroad. For example, Colin Powell was only a lieutenant when he was stationed in Germany in the early 1960's, so I doubt that he got the Beatles treatment. Read his autobiography and check out his recollection of his experiences in Europe and compare that to his experiences in the U.S. at about the same time, especially when he was stationed at Fort Benning. Obviously it would be of no use to talk about the experiences of folks like Halle Berry or Michael Jordan.
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I base this on my experience travelling, experience with how US troops are treated by local nationals, and opinions of foreigners who hav shared their views on race.
Since you're not Black, how can your experience shed any light on this subject? I base my experience on myself and my siblings (we've all had ample opportunity to travel abroad on multiple occasions), my parents (they both lived in Europe for four years in the 1960's and my mother lived in Europe for seven years in the 1990's), about a dozen relatives and two dozen friends and associates, not to mention several history books and documentaries that talk about the experience of Black soldiers overseas. I have a friend who when she took her first trip to Europe, called home from Paris and told her parents to send her stuff because she wasn't coming home, and she hadn't met some guy either. Read the "Secret Information Concerning Black American Troops" to see what the U.S. government thought about this issue.
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That is pretty much what I said. Places where a negro is novel may not have any preconceived opinions.

Then I misunderstood you. I thought you were implying that there was something unique about Black folks that invited scorn from non-Blacks after getting to know them. I agree with the larger point.
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His experience may have been very unique, The Japanese are very racist and blacks are pretty much at the bottom of the racial heap.

Perhaps the civil rights advocates have a reason to boast about thier acceptance overseas to help thier argumetns about racism here? No doubt there are segments of Europe that are fond of Negores, and I submit they are largely not dealing with the dysfunction but the celeberities and personalites.


Europeans probably encounter a lot more Black servicemen stationed at military bases all over Europe than they do with entertainers and athletes. Given our country's history, I don't understand why it's so hard to accept there may be places on this planet when there is more racial tolerance than there is in the U.S.? Why do you presume that Blacks who say these things must have an agenda? Certainly you wouldn't question the motives of a Palestinian or a Kurd who reported that there was more religious and ethnic tolerance when they traveled abroad than at home.






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lsu480
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Does a racist over admit to being a Racist? There seems to always be a lot of threads dealing with racism on the Poli Board. Does anyone admit to hating people because of the color of skin? Or maybe you just don't like people who are different than you. Is it not ignorant to dislike someone before you even know them?


In real life they do all of the time but people can't on TD or they will be banned.






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trackfan
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the first bold part is a very incorrect definition of racsim.

What do you mean by "incorrect definition of racism"? I'll bet no two people on this board define this word the same. I realize that many folks use the words racism and bigotry interchangeably, and that's okay with me, but if anything, I'm the one using the literal definition found in the dictionary, not you. Why do you think I qualified my statement the way I did? For the record, I believe that all forms of bigotry are equally detestable, whether it's based on skin color, religion or ethnicity, so this is just an argument over semantics.






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