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TJ's 2 Foul rule will cost him...
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:03 am
In last night's game, after we jumped out to an early lead, Oregon gambled and went small to try to pressure our guards, thus not allowing us to get the ball inside.
So what does TJ do after Ralston picks up 2 fouls at the 15:56 mark and Hickey gets his 2nd foul at the 14:01 mark? Well, he applies his STUPID rule, and takes out the person who can control the tempo(Hickey) and the only real offensive threat from the outside (Turner). That game was lost essentially 5 minutes into the contest.
And by the way, Turner finished the game with 3 fouls and Hickey had 4. TJ has absolutely no feel for the flow of the game. Not to mention the fact that he didn't get his team to adjust to the ticky-tack refs.
So what does TJ do after Ralston picks up 2 fouls at the 15:56 mark and Hickey gets his 2nd foul at the 14:01 mark? Well, he applies his STUPID rule, and takes out the person who can control the tempo(Hickey) and the only real offensive threat from the outside (Turner). That game was lost essentially 5 minutes into the contest.
And by the way, Turner finished the game with 3 fouls and Hickey had 4. TJ has absolutely no feel for the flow of the game. Not to mention the fact that he didn't get his team to adjust to the ticky-tack refs.
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Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:04 am to JakeRStephenes
Most coaches at all levels have that rule, with some flexibility. I don't think Trent sticks to it any harder than most.
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:05 am to JakeRStephenes
Its not TJ's 2 foul rule... Its almost every coach in the countries rule...
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:06 am to JakeRStephenes
TJ isn't the only coach that takes out players after 2 fouls.....especially when the fouls are committed that early. its quite common actually.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:06 am to Gravitiger
There was absolutely no reason to sit both of those players for 3/4 of the 1st half, all the while your team is getting pummeled.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:07 am to SouthOfSouth
I don't disagree with pulling someone with 2 early fouls, but I do disagree with sitting them the rest of the half despite what is occurring on the floor
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:07 am to JakeRStephenes
Yet another person who doesn't watch much basketball calling for Coach J's head
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:08 am to LSUray
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I don't disagree with pulling someone with 2 early fouls, but I do disagree with sitting them the rest of the half despite what is occurring on the floor
Thanks for making my point!
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:08 am to JakeRStephenes
Their guards were waaaay more athletic than Hickey and Ralston. They were like flies on shite.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:54 am to Blind Ref
Wouldn't have mattered.
Oregon shot lights out/LSU sucked on D.
lsu needs to find a big sg who can actually make shots consistently (hopefully that's morgan or Coleman). Stringer needs to come of the bench.
trent also better find some bigs down low to replace Warren and White, just from a minutes standpoint.
Oregon shot lights out/LSU sucked on D.
lsu needs to find a big sg who can actually make shots consistently (hopefully that's morgan or Coleman). Stringer needs to come of the bench.
trent also better find some bigs down low to replace Warren and White, just from a minutes standpoint.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 11:58 am to JakeRStephenes
What does it matter if you lose the game in those five minutes or if your guys foul out with 15 minutes left in the second half and you get your skull beat in then?
Posted on 3/14/12 at 12:48 pm to ROUSTER
There's this thing called the NCAA Tournament starting tomorrow. Watch how many coaches sit guys (even stars) who get into early foul trouble. This is not a "Trent Johnson" rule.
I agree. Unless Stringer is hot from 3pt range, his size is a disadvantage. If LSU can get Coleman, hopefully he can/will play the 3, allowing Turner to drop down to the 2.
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lsu needs to find a big sg who can actually make shots consistently (hopefully that's morgan or Coleman). Stringer needs to come of the bench.
I agree. Unless Stringer is hot from 3pt range, his size is a disadvantage. If LSU can get Coleman, hopefully he can/will play the 3, allowing Turner to drop down to the 2.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 1:04 pm to therick711
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What does it matter if you lose the game in those five minutes or if your guys foul out with 15 minutes left in the second half and you get your skull beat in then?
Because you don't know that will happen. You might or might not lose them for 15 minutes of the game if you leave them in. Take them out for 15 minutes and you are guaranteed to lose them for that much time. It's a safe precaution to take IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO DO IT. But if they are crucial players and you can't do without them for 15 minutes of the game, you don't take them out for 15 minutes of the game unless you are forced to by their fouling out with that much time left.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 1:30 pm to Gravitiger
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Most coaches at all levels have that rule, with some flexibility. I don't think Trent sticks to it any harder than most.
Jim Calhoun will not budge on this rule. He will absolutely not play a player with 2 fouls in the first half. He sat Emeka Okafor in the semifinal against Duke for like 12 minutes with 2 fouls. UConn was down too. Emeka had 18 pts and like 10 boards in the second half.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 1:36 pm to Tiger in NY
The 2 foul rule is somewhat of a unwritten rule that many, many coaches have. Having said that, there's something to be said for a coach's "feel" for the game.
At a certain point, you have to realize that you're being completely run out of the gym at a pace & tempo that you have absolutely no say-so in.
Within the confines of the game, there are ways to relax your rules in order to stem the tide of a run. Once UO got up bigtime, we essentially played them nip & tuck the entire 2nd half. We remained 13-15 points down the entire 2nd half, save for one point where we cut it to 10, & then they ballooned back out.
In other words, if Trent Johnson allows players that have direct impacts on the flow, pace (and ultimately, the outcome) of the game to remain in there and work through their ticky-tack fouls, the game may have remained at a fairly even clip, & that late run may have been to take the lead as opposed to cutting the lead to almost single digits.
There's merit in the thought that Trent doesn't have a feel for the game. To take out two important cogs & not try to reinsert them at some point to turn the tide of the game? That's just poor coaching.
This is a guy we just spent $14 million for a new facility for. We spent more on his salary than the guys at North Carolina & Duke, I believe. We deserve far, far better than what we've gotten through 4 years.
This is really a joke.
At a certain point, you have to realize that you're being completely run out of the gym at a pace & tempo that you have absolutely no say-so in.
Within the confines of the game, there are ways to relax your rules in order to stem the tide of a run. Once UO got up bigtime, we essentially played them nip & tuck the entire 2nd half. We remained 13-15 points down the entire 2nd half, save for one point where we cut it to 10, & then they ballooned back out.
In other words, if Trent Johnson allows players that have direct impacts on the flow, pace (and ultimately, the outcome) of the game to remain in there and work through their ticky-tack fouls, the game may have remained at a fairly even clip, & that late run may have been to take the lead as opposed to cutting the lead to almost single digits.
There's merit in the thought that Trent doesn't have a feel for the game. To take out two important cogs & not try to reinsert them at some point to turn the tide of the game? That's just poor coaching.
This is a guy we just spent $14 million for a new facility for. We spent more on his salary than the guys at North Carolina & Duke, I believe. We deserve far, far better than what we've gotten through 4 years.
This is really a joke.
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 3/14/12 at 2:00 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Because you don't know that will happen.
All decisions on the future are based on things that you don't know will happen. He sits them because he doesn't know that they won't commit more fouls. What I wrote wasn't a declaration it is a forgone conclusion they will foul out. The point is that coaches do this to have their horses for crunch time. You know a player won't get a foul on the bench. Takes some of the uncertainty out of it.
You are right about being able to afford to do it. The way we played defense, I'm not sure the combination of players would have made much of a difference. Also, their press caused us issues way beyond turnovers that bled over to our offense.
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 2:02 pm
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