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How many NBA max contract level players actually took less money?
Posted on 12/11/11 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/11/11 at 10:20 am
Lebron James
Chris Bosh
Dwyane Wade
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The only reason I think the other three did it was because they all took less money together.
Would Melo have actually taken less money to go to the Knicks when Amare was getting paid the max?
Would Paul or Howard actually take less money to join up with Melo, Amare, or Kobe?
I think the owners need to call their bluff as no one has been taking drastically less money to play with someone who is not as good and makes a lot more money.
Chris Bosh
Dwyane Wade
?
The only reason I think the other three did it was because they all took less money together.
Would Melo have actually taken less money to go to the Knicks when Amare was getting paid the max?
Would Paul or Howard actually take less money to join up with Melo, Amare, or Kobe?
I think the owners need to call their bluff as no one has been taking drastically less money to play with someone who is not as good and makes a lot more money.
This post was edited on 12/11/11 at 10:26 am
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 10:26 am to Colonel Flagg
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Would Paul or Howard actually take less money to join up with Melo, Amare, or Kobe?
well stern fricked this up in a way, because the knicks used that cap room to sign chandler when they thought cp3 went to the lakers. a side effect of stern being a total douchebag
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I think the owners need to call their bluff as no one has been taking drastically less money to play with someone who is not as good and makes a lot more money.
oh this is going to have to happen. it's the only way to really combat the situation
the main issue is that the team who does it needs to be under the cap, or else they risk being like cleveland (way over the cap without a superstar and no way to build a roster for a few years)
trading the superstar usually leads to a path where they can clear up salary, so it is mutually beneficial
Posted on 12/11/11 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think the owners need to call their bluff as no one has been taking drastically less money to play with someone who is not as good and makes a lot more money.
oh this is going to have to happen. it's the only way to really combat the situation
Don't think this is a big issue because some team this guy will want to play for will dump enough salary to be able to sign him. He may not be able to dictate X team but he'll still be able to say X, Y, Z team, which is what most of them are after anyway. Not everybody is Melo.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 10:49 am to Colonel Flagg
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Lebron James
Chris Bosh
They did NOT take less. Due to floridas state income tax laws, or lack there of, they actually make around 2M more than they would had they stayed in CLE or in TOR
Posted on 12/11/11 at 10:49 am to StrongSafety
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They did NOT take less. Due to floridas state income tax laws, or lack there of, they actually make around 2M more than they would had they stayed in CLE or in TOR
1. they still come out behind
2. they make that up in property/sales taxes
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
What if Paul is so pissed he decides to walk to Miami as a FA? He obviously loses a lot of money, but he gets a big FU to Stern and gets to play with bff LBJ.
Very risky, but he signs a 1 or 2 year deal for mini max money. Then he reups for a better contract?
Very risky, but he signs a 1 or 2 year deal for mini max money. Then he reups for a better contract?
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:13 am to corndeaux
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Very risky, but he signs a 1 or 2 year deal for mini max money.
is mini max some new exception in the CBA?
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:23 am to corndeaux
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Very risky, but he signs a 1 or 2 year deal for mini max money. Then he reups for a better contract?
You would think a guy who already knows how it feels to be sidelined by a serious injury would be jumping at the opportunity for a big money contract extension.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:29 am to ATLTiger
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is mini max some new exception in the CBA?
I misspoke. I meant the mini mid level.
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Colonel Flagg
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You would think a guy who already knows how it feels to be sidelined by a serious injury would be jumping at the opportunity for a big money contract extension.
I agree. It's a crazy gambit. But if Paul is pissed off enough about Stern dictating where he can and can't play, it would be a huge FU to Stern.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:32 am to Colonel Flagg
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Lebron James
Chris Bosh
How much less did they really take?
Both were a sign and trade.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:34 am to philabuck
i don't think the starter salaries were true max-level (to get all of them and have cap space left over for haslem)
the trades got both cleveland and toronto a trade exception (i don't know if either used it)
the trades got both cleveland and toronto a trade exception (i don't know if either used it)
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:36 am to philabuck
I think they each took about $15 million less over the life of the contract.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Cavs haven't used it, probably won't
They got two 1st round picks, the hornets 2nd this year and another 2nd from Oklahoma (not sure when)
They got two 1st round picks, the hornets 2nd this year and another 2nd from Oklahoma (not sure when)
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:40 am to philabuck
James and Bosh signed for around 2m a season less and around 15m over the life of their contracts.Wade took 2.5m less and like 17-18m over his contract so the Heat could sign Haslem.
They were sign and trades so the Heat could add an extra year to both James' and Bosh's contract. I know Cleveland hasn't used their trade exception, and I doubt Toronto has either, but I'm not positive.
I think it's funny that Dallas had Chandler's trade exception for 10 hours and turned it into Odom, whereas Cleveland has had theirs for a year and still haven't found good use for it.
They were sign and trades so the Heat could add an extra year to both James' and Bosh's contract. I know Cleveland hasn't used their trade exception, and I doubt Toronto has either, but I'm not positive.
I think it's funny that Dallas had Chandler's trade exception for 10 hours and turned it into Odom, whereas Cleveland has had theirs for a year and still haven't found good use for it.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:44 am to corndeaux
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if Paul is pissed off enough about Stern dictating where he can and can't play
IMO it has nothing to do with where Paul wants to play (eventhough his opinion doesn't matter while under contract), but more to do with the organization and other pieces of the deal.
It is bs that these players are trying to dictate where they play when under contract. If they are FAs that is fine, but I am tired of the crying.
I much rather what James and Bosh did in their process. Play out your contract and go somewhere that can afford you. Stop acting like a bitch to orchestrate a trade that sends you to an organization that doesn't deserve it and gets you a max deal.
This post was edited on 12/11/11 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:47 am to Colonel Flagg
no it was all about paul goign to the lakers (and the lakers having the ammo to get dwight with the next move). stern basically screwed up 2 amazing moves by the lakers that would have built them up for the next run
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, but the Lakers are only in that position because Other owners are allowing the players to force trades to the big markets.
Small market owners need to stop letting the big market owners push them around unless they are going to go to more revenue sharing. The lakers get huge tv deals, a natural advantage in signing FAs, and now a huge built in advantage in trades. IMO They might as well do a major contraction of the league.
Small market owners need to stop letting the big market owners push them around unless they are going to go to more revenue sharing. The lakers get huge tv deals, a natural advantage in signing FAs, and now a huge built in advantage in trades. IMO They might as well do a major contraction of the league.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 2:06 pm to Colonel Flagg
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but the Lakers are only in that position because Other owners are allowing the players to force trades to the big markets.
because the players in question don't want to play in those cities. nothing will change that
Posted on 12/11/11 at 2:42 pm to Colonel Flagg
Don't forget Dirk Nowitzki signed for around $17 million less then what he should've gotten. His current contract is 4 years at $80 million when it should be $97 million. He did it probably because him and Cubes knew that the lockout was looming and this would help them with a salary cap. Dirk has even joked saying that he should've signed for less because it apparently didn't help enough after they lost Butler.
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