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Grading the offensive line and OC
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:37 pm
After watching the SEC Championship game, what grade would you give the offensive line and offensive coordinator? Is it just me, or has the last 4 or 5 games, particularly in the first half of each game been hard to watch. Take away the defensive scoring and excellent field position. Could this team win with it's offense if not for the superior depth and excellent field position. Could someone make a chart drive for the last four games? Did our offensive line get manhandled in the first half?
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 10:47 pm
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:58 pm to rickyh
What was surprising in the Georgia game was that Lonergan was back at center after a rest and I expected the OL to dominate.
It was also a zombie 1st half where they were on a high and expected to win by just showing up.
In all fairness though the Georgia D starting lineup is really good - especially the run defense and that was enough to stifle the 3-12 games for them.
In addition on the LSU side, maybe it was not just the OL, it is the play calling, Georgia D playing with hyped emotions, JJ stuttering etc...
In the second half , the Georgia D met with stiff opposition and didn't have quality backups and LSU came back with better plays as well.
It was also a zombie 1st half where they were on a high and expected to win by just showing up.
In all fairness though the Georgia D starting lineup is really good - especially the run defense and that was enough to stifle the 3-12 games for them.
In addition on the LSU side, maybe it was not just the OL, it is the play calling, Georgia D playing with hyped emotions, JJ stuttering etc...
In the second half , the Georgia D met with stiff opposition and didn't have quality backups and LSU came back with better plays as well.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:02 pm to rickyh
I think if we had screen and reverse plays as a part of play calling, the running game would be effective from the beginning of the game.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:21 pm to CalTiger
We were backed up inside the ten it seamed for the whole first half. Hard to run anything against that jacked up defense. JL would have done no better
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:24 pm to GoldRing
What is most troubling T me, is the offense has struggled the first half of our last 4 games. They weren't facing Georgia's defensive line. If not for defense and special teams. LSU would not be better than last year. It seems as if we are running last years offense at the end of this season.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:26 pm to GoldRing
quote:Jefferson had a really bad first half. However, even when LSU got 9 yards on a first down pass, LSU could not run for ONE yard on second and third down.
The OL gave the LSU QB enough time to pass. So look no further then JJ poor QB play. His bad passing and slow motion mentality.
That poor QB play was enough to keep LSU from making a first down much less anything more. Just think how much better LSU offense would be if "Drew Brees" was LSU starting QB.
Of course, Georgia has the #3 defense in the country.
That counts for a lot.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:27 pm to rickyh
The problem was field position most of the time in the first half. That coupled with JJ not getting into any kind of flow. We found our way though.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:29 pm to rickyh
We called a play action deep shot on the second play of the game. Pass was under thrown, Randle was open. I think it was primarily a question of field position. Also, we started to run outside more in the second half. Georgia is stout up the middle, once we got outside it opened everything up for us.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:29 pm to rickyh
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What is most troubling T me, is the offense has struggled the first half of our last 4 games. They weren't facing Georgia's defensive line. If not for defense and special teams. LSU would not be better than last year. It seems as if we are running last years offense at the end of this season.
Methinks this is a not so cleverly veiled qb thread. The truth is our offense has struggled in the first half of almost every game this season. It is just how this team and offense operates. A power running game with a strong o line is built that way. Those runs that go for 3-4 yards at the beginning of the game go for 8-9 by the 3rd quarter.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:32 pm to rickyh
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If not for defense and special teams. LSU would not be better than last year. It seems as if we are running last years offense at the end of this season.
I think the excitement of the season has clouded people's vision on the offense. From game 1 to 13 we've been all about the D and ST setting up the offense to succeed in short field situations. Remember Moo State way back in game 2? They were able to move the ball just enough to avoid turnovers and punt, keeping us on long fields most of the night. Thus, 19 points, our second lowest output of the season.
As effective as the offensive has been this year, we need the D and ST to get them in position. Otherwise, it's going to be an uphill battle.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:36 pm to Adam Banks
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The truth is our offense has struggled in the first half of almost every game this season. It is just how this team and offense operates
Off the top of my head:
Oregon - 10 offensive points in the 1st half
MSU - 6
KY - 7
UT - 17, with 1 TD set up by a 90+ yard int return
Aub - we had 7 until the last 5 or 6 minutes of the half
WKU - 14
This team is absolutely built to hammer at defenses until they break. That takes time, and isn't always pretty. But for all but 1 game this year(Bama), it's been pretty damn effective.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:38 pm to OldManRiver
quote:Likewise, the D generally does not play as well when the running game isn't working to control the clock (see: first halves vs. Arkansas and UGA, third quarter vs. WVU). It's a truly collaborative effort.
As effective as the offensive has been this year, we need the D and ST to get them in position. Otherwise, it's going to be an uphill battle.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:44 pm to rickyh
quote:Last year's offense didn't score more than 33 against anybody but LA-Monroe and Ole Miss. The past four games we have averaged over 35 points on offense (i.e., excluding defense and special teams scores).
It seems as if we are running last years offense at the end of this season.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:45 pm to OldManRiver
Okay, I'll buy the slow start thing in most games. But what I guess what I am seeing is the play calling. No more short timing routes. It has become more vanilla and option oriented. Teams are stacking the box again and daring us to throw. It just looks like last years offense. And this thread is about OL play and play calling. We have not run a trick play on offense this year that I can remember. Metts naked bootleg was suppose to be something that he took upon himself. The team just doesn't look as crisp on offense. Way more penalties lately.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:53 pm to rickyh
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Okay, I'll buy the slow start thing in most games. But what I guess what I am seeing is the play calling. No more short timing routes. It has become more vanilla and option oriented
We have become more option oriented because JJ is the qb and JJ is good at running the option. Also it gets more speed on the field because we run ford and hilliard a lot more with it. Convenient for us those are bamas two weaknesses-the option and speed to the edge.
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We have not run a trick play on offense this year that I can remember.
You go to trick plays when you arent beating them straight up.
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The team just doesn't look as crisp on offense. Way more penalties lately.
The only time I can think of any outliers is the penalties at the beginning vs Arky. Still though we had a very very long drive for a touchdown despite repeatedly shooting ourselves in the foot with flags.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:54 pm to rickyh
quote:I know this isn't supposed to be another QB thread, but the reason we look similar to last year now is because we are playing last year's QB. JJ isn't very good at short timing routes. He is more option oriented. Hence the play-calling to showcase his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.
Okay, I'll buy the slow start thing in most games. But what I guess what I am seeing is the play calling. No more short timing routes. It has become more vanilla and option oriented. Teams are stacking the box again and daring us to throw. It just looks like last years offense. And this thread is about OL play and play calling. We have not run a trick play on offense this year that I can remember. Metts naked bootleg was suppose to be something that he took upon himself. The team just doesn't look as crisp on offense. Way more penalties lately.
I think we ran a halfback pass against WVU, but Ware pulled it down because the WR was covered. Anyway, we haven't needed trick plays because we are beating the shite out of everybody.
Disagree about the less crisp and more penalties lately. Certainly nothing compared to last year.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:58 pm to Gravitiger
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Disagree about the less crisp and more penalties lately. Certainly nothing compared to last year.
According to the NCAA Stats page, our yearly average is roughly 6 penalties a game for 50 yards. Last 4 games
WKU - 5/44
OM - 3/35
Ark - 6/34
GA - 8/54
Seems pretty normal to me.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:00 am to rickyh
Maybe I watched a different game in the first half last week. I saw very little running attempts and a whole lot of passing attempts. I get the catch them off guard, but it seemed like we were passing on first down incomplete, now behind in down and distance so pass second down incomplete or very short gain pass again on third. Plus throw in a penalty here and there and the result is punt. I remember thinking to myself at the start of the second quarter, "We typically run the ball down their throats and by the middle of the third quarter and into the fourth we have worn them out. But all we are doing is passing with three and outs and aren't going to ware anybody out in this game." In the end I guess we did get the better of them, but I thought the play calling in the first half was suspect. My 2 cents.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:02 am to OldManRiver
Yup. Not to mention we have not had any of the pre-snap confusion we saw last season (probably because the HC and OC aren't arguing about the personnel, formation and play call).
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 12:04 am
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:05 am to rickyh
so we are the only undefeated team in the country. Now, why is that? Superior defense then all other teams, including bama. So no we wouldnt be undefeated. Not to many teams go undefeated without really good d. unless you play in a shite conference like boise.
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