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re: A Letter From Joe Alleva about night games.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:29 am to LSUROCKS52
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:29 am to LSUROCKS52
quote:
who cares about that?
Who cares about $? Really?
quote:
night games at LSU are important to LSU fans and that should be more important to CBS than the money they make showing LSU. greedy bastards
News flash: $ > LSU tradition
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:31 am to TheDoc
guess you missed the part where that was tongue in cheek
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:31 am to LSUROCKS52
quote:
that 10 million sure looks a lot better than 4
Could it be?
Companies have a limited advertising budget. If LSU /Auburn were on CBS at 7pm, they would be compete ting against two other sporting events, which would be drawing the same market these advertisers are going for...
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:31 am to TheDoc
I find it funny that 10.4 people watched the Florida/LSU Game. What were the other 300 Million people in this country watching?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:33 am to TheDoc
quote:
News flash: $ > LSU tradition
Of course, a good portion of the $ is directly derivative of the traditions.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:34 am to Golfer
sure looks like they doubled each of those other sporting events. that not count?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:36 am to Golfer
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If LSU /Auburn were on CBS at 7pm, they would be compete ting against two other sporting events, which would be drawing the same market these advertisers are going for...
and that game will not draw 10 million. im not saying CBS has to show 1 prime time game a week, although it sure would be nice. but why settle for only 1. flex-scheduling works in the NFL, why not college?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:38 am to Cajun Revolution
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I find it funny that 10.4 people watched the Florida/LSU Game. What were the other 300 Million people in this country watching?
Not LSU at 7pm... That's for sure.
I'd like to see the previous Saturday's Nielsen ratings to compare the two spots.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:40 am to TheDoc
and it'd be skewed b/c you wouldn't have had anything like auburn-UF at that time.
it also depends who was playing
it also depends who was playing
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:45 am to Y.A. Tittle
TheDoc,
I am in no way questioning your fanhood....anyone who post 66343 times on a Tiger's website is a Tiger fan. And you make a lot of good points. I've agreed with you many times.
But how can you defend, represent or argue against an LSU tradition that has been going on for decades?
CBS definitely makes money off an LSU night game. LINK
As I've said before, CBS wants another night game, but the contract binds them. ESPN wants it too.
The matter at hand is attempting to amend the contract in time for next year, finding a way to convince the LSU athletic department, the SEC, and the TV people that night games are still relevant to the fanbase. That having one fluke/perfect storm year that prevented a night game should be limited to that one year.
Do you agree in wanting to see more LSU v SEC night games on networks? At the very least one per year?
If so, why dispute? If not, why not?
I am in no way questioning your fanhood....anyone who post 66343 times on a Tiger's website is a Tiger fan. And you make a lot of good points. I've agreed with you many times.
But how can you defend, represent or argue against an LSU tradition that has been going on for decades?
CBS definitely makes money off an LSU night game. LINK
As I've said before, CBS wants another night game, but the contract binds them. ESPN wants it too.
The matter at hand is attempting to amend the contract in time for next year, finding a way to convince the LSU athletic department, the SEC, and the TV people that night games are still relevant to the fanbase. That having one fluke/perfect storm year that prevented a night game should be limited to that one year.
Do you agree in wanting to see more LSU v SEC night games on networks? At the very least one per year?
If so, why dispute? If not, why not?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:47 am to marklsu
quote:
anyone who post 66343 times on a Tiger's website is a Tiger fan
guess this means im not an LSU fan
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:48 am to LSUROCKS52
I've read this whole thread. Seems the problem is mainly with ESPN picking LSU games @ 2:30pm. They could (should be asked/told to) schedule them for evenings on 1 of their networks more often. (I know CBS will pickup some pm games, not all).
The contract(s) must be re-worked when the conference is expanded, so.....
PS Network (CBS etc) Sat evening shows suck ratings.
Plus with Fball they get a 4 hour show.
The contract(s) must be re-worked when the conference is expanded, so.....
PS Network (CBS etc) Sat evening shows suck ratings.
Plus with Fball they get a 4 hour show.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:52 am to marklsu
quote:
But how can you defend, represent or argue against an LSU tradition that has been going on for decades?
I love night games much more than 2:30 kickoffs. Don't get me wrong.
But that's just the way things are with the hand that has been dealt.
LSU is a winning program, and CBS gets first pick of the games. #1 team in the country carries weight with sponsors ect.
I understand both sides, but I'm a realist. I know where LSU's bread is buttered. Where they get their money from.
I'm also a fan, of course i want night games.
I like to tailgate and drink/eat all day.
But I know that things are the way they are for a reason, and that reason is a lot of $$$$.
The sec and CBS chartered this deal.
LSU football whether you want to admit it or not, is a product that CBS wants to sell to big markets and get sponsors for.
Like I said, of course I'm a fan, but I also understand all the aspects of the situation CBS, LSU, and the sec are currently in.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:55 am to Diggerest
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I've read this whole thread. Seems the problem is mainly with ESPN picking LSU games @ 2:30pm.
Huh?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:56 am to Tmumph1
what you fail to get is we are the consumer. What we say matters, it will take the fans putting the money elsewhere before they get it.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:58 am to garryowen
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what you fail to get is we are the consumer. What we say matters, it will take the fans putting the money elsewhere before they get it.
So...
Boycott LSU football?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:04 pm to garryowen
quote:
What we say matters, it will take the fans putting the money elsewhere before they get it.
The only way that would happen is if 60K+ fans gave up their season tickets which ain't happening.
Even if it did, there are people waiting in the wings to get their own season tickets. Boycotting isn't the answer.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:04 pm to garryowen
quote:
what you fail to get is we are the consumer. What we say matters, it will take the fans putting the money elsewhere before they get it.
Who is this "they" that you are talking about?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:06 pm to notiger1997
without reading this thread I am guessing it is 14 pages of retards posting shite like "alleva is out to ruin the tradition of LSU" or sharing copies of their shitty emails where they failed to spell check or do any research. how far off am I?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:07 pm to LSUROCKS52
Ok, I have said this before and I will say it again.
Contracts are negotiated and can be re-negotiated even within the terms of the initial contract. Re-negotiation is not always favorable for everyone involved. However if a product has a very high market demand, negotiations between the producer and the supplier can usually benefit both parties.
Ultimately, the market demand (viewers and advertisers) for a product (SEC Football) dictate the value of the product. However, the supplier (CBS) of a product (SEC football) has the ability to unilaterally manipulate the value of that product only as long as there are no other suppliers (ESPN, Versus, NBC, ABC) for that product who would choose to competitively offer the product.
When a product has a very high market demand, the producer (SEC schools) not the supplier (CBS) of the product dictate the value. When there are multiple producers the ability to dictate the value of the product is dependent on the collaboration of the producers in setting the value and ensuring continued quality of the product in comparison to similar products on the market.
SEC football is in high demand on the market and shows no indication of that changing. There is plenty of money to be made and passed around. A solution that is acceptable by all producers (schools) and suppliers (CBS, ESPN, etc.) is certainly achievable.
To those that say "It can't be fixed, just live with it" you are short sighted and ignorant.
To those that believe it can be changed easily and overnight you too are short sighted and ignorant.
Contracts are negotiated and can be re-negotiated even within the terms of the initial contract. Re-negotiation is not always favorable for everyone involved. However if a product has a very high market demand, negotiations between the producer and the supplier can usually benefit both parties.
Ultimately, the market demand (viewers and advertisers) for a product (SEC Football) dictate the value of the product. However, the supplier (CBS) of a product (SEC football) has the ability to unilaterally manipulate the value of that product only as long as there are no other suppliers (ESPN, Versus, NBC, ABC) for that product who would choose to competitively offer the product.
When a product has a very high market demand, the producer (SEC schools) not the supplier (CBS) of the product dictate the value. When there are multiple producers the ability to dictate the value of the product is dependent on the collaboration of the producers in setting the value and ensuring continued quality of the product in comparison to similar products on the market.
SEC football is in high demand on the market and shows no indication of that changing. There is plenty of money to be made and passed around. A solution that is acceptable by all producers (schools) and suppliers (CBS, ESPN, etc.) is certainly achievable.
To those that say "It can't be fixed, just live with it" you are short sighted and ignorant.
To those that believe it can be changed easily and overnight you too are short sighted and ignorant.
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