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Supporting the team VS. agreeing with decisions
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:44 pm
I believe this is the grey area that some people are having trouble with. I support the LSU football team. I'll always attend or watch the games; I'll always wear my LSU stuff. I'll always say we're the best and baddest bunch of MoFo's around.
With that being said I don't have to agree with every decision the team, coaches or organization makes to still be supportive. People are getting flack for not agreeing with a decision, doesn't mean they're not behind the team and don't support the team.
I don't like the fact that the guys broke curfew, I don't like the paid parking crap, but I still the support the players, coaches and school.
So save the just shut up support the decisions crap, if I didn't care about the program, this probably wouldn't get me fired up. I pay good money for seats, parking and paraphernalia, I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
GO TIGERS
ETA: I don't condone the booing, but I understand the frustration.
With that being said I don't have to agree with every decision the team, coaches or organization makes to still be supportive. People are getting flack for not agreeing with a decision, doesn't mean they're not behind the team and don't support the team.
I don't like the fact that the guys broke curfew, I don't like the paid parking crap, but I still the support the players, coaches and school.
So save the just shut up support the decisions crap, if I didn't care about the program, this probably wouldn't get me fired up. I pay good money for seats, parking and paraphernalia, I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
GO TIGERS
ETA: I don't condone the booing, but I understand the frustration.
This post was edited on 10/3/11 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:50 pm to TheEye
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I don't condone the booing, but I understand the frustration.
#1 team in the country playing second home game and people boo. THAT IS frickING RETARDED!
Of course fans will disagree on playcalling and who plays it is all part of being a fan. I wasn't happy we ran the ball up the gut 3 consecutive times with 2-1/2 minutes left in first half but since they are #1 and undefeated I don't have much reason to bitch.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:50 pm to TheEye
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I pay good money for seats, parking and paraphernalia, I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
No. You buy a ticket and you DESERVE to be able to see the game live from a seat in the stadium.
You CAN "boo". But, it reveals you as a worthless, immature dick-head.
Just enjoy the 5-0 team ranked #1 in the nation and cheer. Sheeeesh. You do not need to agree with every decision or play call. You don't need to act like a child with no impulse control, either.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:50 pm to TheEye
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So save the just shut up support the decisions crap, if I didn't care about the program, this probably wouldn't get me fired up. I pay good money for seats, parking and paraphernalia, I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
I don't think most people really have any issues with the voicing of one's opinion. Where you see people get up in arms is when it appears that EVERY decision made by the staff is questioned to the nth degree...or when disagreeing with a decision becomes screaming obscenities at our own players and coaches.
We are in the height of what can only be described as the Golden Age of LSU Football, and yet we're essentially at war with each other as fans, with the coaching staff, with the players, etc.
Why not enjoy the ride..? What ever happened to saving this animosity for incoming teams?
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:53 pm to TheEye
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I don't condone the booing, but I understand the frustration.
Yeah, we 5-0, 16-2 in our last 18 games, #1 in the nation, and our coach is winning games at the highest rate EVER at LSU for a coach here a few years....it's easy to be frustrated with that kinda chit going on with our program.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:55 pm to TheEye
People who booed on Saturday need to grow the frick up and just enjoy the damn season. He put in the more physical QB on 4th and goal to get the score. Last I checked, it's a team effort. I saw nothing wrong with putting JJ in on that play. In no way did it hurt Lee's feelings, hell if Lee is a team player, he was probably thrilled we got a TD on that drive.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:57 pm to TheEye
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ETA: I don't condone the booing, but I understand the frustration.
Frustration?? Anyone who thinks Lee gives us a better chance of converting a 4th and 1 on a QB sneak the JJ is borderline retarded.
People are upset JJ played period the end and boo'd the fact that he got in the game. If Mettenberger would have line up to take the QB sneak, no one wouldve boo'd
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:59 pm to TheEye
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Supporting the team VS. agreeing with decisions
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I don't have to agree with every decision the team, coaches or organization makes to still be supportive. People are getting flack for not agreeing with a decision
quote:The "decision" did not hear the boos.
So save the just shut up support the decisions crap
This post was edited on 10/3/11 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 3:01 pm to TheEye
i haven't heard or read one person just saying shut up and support the decisions. if you are against JJ going in, speak up. but booing him at the game as he enters the game after what he's been through as a person is shite. and it does no good at all. i think other fans have a right to trash those that did boo also. in other words, there is a time and place to express one's opinions and booing a player just isn't a mature action. i hope we can move on and get past this crap.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 3:02 pm to TheEye
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With that being said I don't have to agree with every decision the team, coaches or organization makes to still be supportive. People are getting flack for not agreeing with a decision, doesn't mean they're not behind the team and don't support the team.
Big difference between disagreeing and booing the team, as in booing specific players. If you argue this you must not be very bright.
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So save the just shut up support the decisions crap, if I didn't care about the program, this probably wouldn't get me fired up. I pay good money for seats, parking and paraphernalia, I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
If you go there to bitch about the money, the parking, and the tickets then you DO deserve to be called a bitch.
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ETA: I don't condone the booing, but I understand the frustration.
The frustration of being ranked #1, having a top 5 defense can be a load sometimes. I get it.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 3:03 pm to TheEye
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I don't like the fact that the guys broke curfew
I didnt hear the boos for the 32 or so other Tigers that broke curfew. Must have missed it while I was taking a piss.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 3:13 pm to TheEye
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I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
I never have liked the word "deserve" very much. There's mot much in life that I think I or anybody else deserve. Most people use the word "deserve" as sort of an entitlement. I hear you using it in the context of "I've paid my money so I can say what I want." There are many people who think that if a thought comes to them they can just voice it....to their spouse, their kids...much less in a stadium. Forget self restraint....just let it out. Yeah, yeah "It's a free country." I hate that phrase too. I personally chose not to voice my frustration and dissatisfaction about a coaches decision or a player by booing them in Tiger Stadium. I personally have a few choice friends I vent my frustrations to. I don't even like to talk negative about LSU to strangers or casual friends. You do it your way and I do it my way. We just go about it differently.
This post was edited on 10/3/11 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 3:18 pm to TheEye
I commend the original poster for identifying the key dysfunction that afflicts this board and tranforms an otherwise enjoyable forum into a bloodletting. It's the extremists. For example, there is a certain niche of fanatical Miles devotees on this board who simply will not and constitutionally cannot tolerate any criticism of the head coach, no matter how well articulated or well founded. Rather than responding to the particular point the critic is making, said ideologue usually retorts with one of the following two gambits:
(1) The Papal Premise. Any choice Miles makes is correct by definition, simply because he made it. Miles is infallible because he (a) is the head coach; (b) has coached for many years; (c) attends practice; (d) is a "good/honorable/stand-up/dignified/decent" man; or my personal favorite (e) makes millions of dollars. Miles is not responsible for any negative on-field or off-field developments, but will be accorded full and unmitigated credit for any and all victories. Any criticism of Miles constitutes unpardonable heresy, no matter how obviously correct. I swear there are people who lurk for hours with angrily clenched sphincters, eagerly awaiting a post that even smacks of good faith criticism, so that they can unveil some new version of this same nonsense.
(2) The Ad Hominem Attack. The original critic is an inferior, morally reprehensible, and inadequate Tiger fan. A "true" fan would not utter any blasphemous words against the program or the head coach. The criticism in question will invariably destroy LSU's recruiting, undermine team morale, contribute to the decline of modern America, and result in eternal damnation of the immortal soul. Les Miles, upon hearing the criticism, will depart for some utopia - the University of Elysian Fields - where he will never be criticized by the fan base. In his absence, LSU will be unable to hire any qualified successor and will immediately revert to the Curly Hallman era.
There is no real way to respond to such sycophants. Obviously, no coach is infallible, as history has amply demonstrated. Our last two coaches (Miles and Saban), have made plenty of errors, many of which could be readily identified by anyone with functioning senses and a passing knowledge of the game. Similarly, expressing reasoned dissatisfaction with the program isn't high treason.
There are other categories of extremist at work here as well. There are the JJ extremists. The JLee extremists. The apathy extremists. A small but vocal hardcore anti-Miles contingent who want him fired now. It's all tiresome.
(1) The Papal Premise. Any choice Miles makes is correct by definition, simply because he made it. Miles is infallible because he (a) is the head coach; (b) has coached for many years; (c) attends practice; (d) is a "good/honorable/stand-up/dignified/decent" man; or my personal favorite (e) makes millions of dollars. Miles is not responsible for any negative on-field or off-field developments, but will be accorded full and unmitigated credit for any and all victories. Any criticism of Miles constitutes unpardonable heresy, no matter how obviously correct. I swear there are people who lurk for hours with angrily clenched sphincters, eagerly awaiting a post that even smacks of good faith criticism, so that they can unveil some new version of this same nonsense.
(2) The Ad Hominem Attack. The original critic is an inferior, morally reprehensible, and inadequate Tiger fan. A "true" fan would not utter any blasphemous words against the program or the head coach. The criticism in question will invariably destroy LSU's recruiting, undermine team morale, contribute to the decline of modern America, and result in eternal damnation of the immortal soul. Les Miles, upon hearing the criticism, will depart for some utopia - the University of Elysian Fields - where he will never be criticized by the fan base. In his absence, LSU will be unable to hire any qualified successor and will immediately revert to the Curly Hallman era.
There is no real way to respond to such sycophants. Obviously, no coach is infallible, as history has amply demonstrated. Our last two coaches (Miles and Saban), have made plenty of errors, many of which could be readily identified by anyone with functioning senses and a passing knowledge of the game. Similarly, expressing reasoned dissatisfaction with the program isn't high treason.
There are other categories of extremist at work here as well. There are the JJ extremists. The JLee extremists. The apathy extremists. A small but vocal hardcore anti-Miles contingent who want him fired now. It's all tiresome.
This post was edited on 10/3/11 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 3:26 pm to TheEye
My thought is this...It doesn't make a shite!!! JJ is part of the team, like it or not, and Miles IS going to put him in when HE wants to do so. Get over it!!! Did you think JJ was going to return to the team and NEVER play? I am a huge Lee supporter but come on stop :beatdeadhorse:
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:53 pm to TheEye
you can voice your opinion here, there and all you want. there are plenty of venues to do that. Hell, I do it on here all the time.
But booing the team to their face on national TV crosses a line that I believe is not helpful.
But booing the team to their face on national TV crosses a line that I believe is not helpful.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 5:02 pm to TheEye
quote:I don't recall Includes The Right To Boo being printed on any of my tickets.
I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
quote:Taken with a grain of salt.
GO TIGERS
Interpreted as: Provided you run plays I prefer, with who I think should play, resulting in the success I enjoy.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 5:48 pm to TheEye
Of the people who booed, the majority were booing JJ. This notion that they were booing "the decision" is preposterous.
Face it--the fan base fricked up. Apologize for being a bunch of douchebags, cheer for him v. Florida and all will be forgiven.
Face it--the fan base fricked up. Apologize for being a bunch of douchebags, cheer for him v. Florida and all will be forgiven.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 6:29 pm to TheEye
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With that being said I don't have to agree with every decision the team, coaches or organization makes to still be supportive.
Playing devil's advocate, given the fact that Jefferson scored on the play makes that look like a good decision. Nobody can assume that we would have scored with any other player.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 6:34 pm to TheEye
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I pay good money for seats, parking and paraphernalia, I deserve to voice my opinion and not sit down and shut up.
So you pay .000000000009 % of the money miles and crew rakes in and suddenly you're his boss? You are not entitled to anything other than seeing the game live. You people sound like whinny liberal douchebags with this argument.
This post was edited on 10/3/11 at 6:35 pm
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