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re: A Song of Ice and Fire (GoT "I read the book" thread)

Posted on 4/27/11 at 9:06 am to
Posted by MediTiger
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 9:06 am to
Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear were the first books that grabbed me and wouldn't let go like ASOIAF did. I read Wise Man's Fear in 3 days.
Posted by MediTiger
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 9:10 am to
Yeah I agree with your assessment of Red Seas Under Red Skies. I finished it, but it wasn't nearly the book that Lies of Locke Lamora was. Here's hoping he gets it turned around for the 3rd novel. LoLL was good enough that I'll still read it.

You are right about Malazan. It is an undertaking, and I needed encouragement from my brother sometimes to push through. It was worth it in the end. Erickson's world building is second to none, but he can't hold a candle to GRRM when it comes to technical writing ability or character development.

The Name of the Wind is the first in a series called The Kingkiller Chronicles. If you read one fantasy novel this year (other than ADWD) I would make it this one.
Posted by Joe
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 9:26 am to
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Joe, would you mind changing the title to "book discussion with spoilers". I think the thread has grown past a single book question. Thanks.


Done!
Posted by audodger
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 12:29 pm to
You sound like a super-fun guy to hang out with.
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:06 pm to
Goodkind has infiltrated TD, take all appropriate defensive actions.
Posted by SLC
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:10 pm to
Who is Goodkind? If you are talking about the author he is terrible. He is comparable to that kid who wrote Eragorn as far as being cliche and predictable.
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 1:14 pm
Posted by SLC
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:12 pm to
Your criticisms of GRRM are more than fair.
Posted by Books
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 2:16 pm to
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There's no way the book is coming out this summer. It's not even finished yet, and it typically takes 6+ months from completion to see a book on the shelves at Barnes and Noble.

false, don't think AFFC's turnaround was anyhere near that and this one has much much bigger demand. The editor has had hundreds of pages all but finished already, just awaiting the last parts. And you're saying this won't be on shelves til Oct?

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Gurm's problem is that he's made enough money that he doesn't have to work. He can go to nerd cons and blog about pizza and the Jets/Giants all fricking day long and it doesn't negatively affect his lifestyle.
so, he's allowed a life outside of writing? string him up

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t'd be easy to blame the delay on Gurm's decision to forgo his original plan of a 5 year gap. The gap would have let Dany, Bran, Sansa, Arya, and Jon grow into believable young adults. It would have made sense. Now he has to figure out how the frick to get Dany from a 16 year old girl with no education and near-feral dragons to a world-spanning conqueror and savior of Westeros from the forthcoming invasion of the Others.

says the troll to the multi-million selling author.

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The real reason is that he's a lazy fatass resentful of his most famous and lauded work, and would much rather eat himself into an early grave and ogle young girls at every nerd convention around the globe.
you're seriously nerd raging hard
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Books
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 2:41 pm to
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He does make legitimate points
where?
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
22064 posts
Posted on 4/27/11 at 4:16 pm to
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You should read The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss.


Rothfuss is very good. I love Kvothe as a character. What an insufferable arse, but he has the best of intentions. I just finished Wise Man's Fear a month or so ago. I think Books A Million still has the hardback at 40% off.

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My first mentor called me E'lir because I was clever and I knew it. My first real lover called me Dulator because she liked the sound of it. I have been called Shadicar, Lightfinger, and Six-String. I have been called Kvothe the Bloodless, Kvothe the Arcane, and Kvothe Kingkiller. I have earned those names. Bought and paid for them. But I was brought up as Kvothe. My father once told me it meant "to know." I have, of course, been called many other things. Most of them uncouth, although very few were unearned. I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep. You may have heard of me.
Posted by MediTiger
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 5:49 pm to
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But no, that's too easy a thing to blame it on. The real reason is that he's a lazy fatass resentful of his most famous and lauded work, and would much rather eat himself into an early grave and ogle young girls at every nerd convention around the globe.


This part of your post is trolling. Along with several other statements that you have no way of actually knowing. You are just throwing out retarded statements and hoping your vitriol will keep someone from calling you on it.
Posted by SLC
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 7:19 pm to
This statement is legit:

"Gurm's problem is that he's made enough money that he doesn't have to work. He can go to nerd cons and blog about pizza and the Jets/Giants all fricking day long and it doesn't negatively affect his lifestyle. "

GRRM does appear to seek every distraction he can find to keep from writing the books.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 7:27 pm to
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This statement is legit:

"Gurm's problem is that he's made enough money that he doesn't have to work. He can go to nerd cons and blog about pizza and the Jets/Giants all fricking day long and it doesn't negatively affect his lifestyle. "

GRRM does appear to seek every distraction he can find to keep from writing the books.


Yep yep. GRRM has his ardent defenders of which Books is obviously one. And he has his detractors. None of his detractors ever question his skill as a writer (though we do question the vivid detail he uses when describing sex involving pubescent girls). We question his work ethic. Let's face it. GrrM is Albert Freaking Haynesworth of the writing world. He can be great for you, but once he got that big contract he lost his sense of urgency and drive. He's having too much fun being GrrM and sending people out on "quests" to get him Philly Chesse Steaks and Barbecue to bother returning to Westeros with any type of regularity.

We will know if he's lost it with this next book. Of course it could be the biggest piece of shite ever published, but there are some fans that will think it's the greatest thing ever published.
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 7:29 pm
Posted by Books
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 7:46 pm to
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GRRM has his ardent defenders of which Books is obviously one.
hardly, just bc I don't buy every conspiracy some of you are throwing around, doesn't mean I'm on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. The man wasn't chained to his desk, but I can live w/ that as long as the product is as great as it's been. Some ppl seem to take it personally w/ the things being said that he's taken this long.
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Of course it could be the biggest piece of shite ever published, but there are some fans that will think it's the greatest thing ever published.
and you'd have guys like those at finish the book GRRM that'll bitch ab it regardless if it's the best in the series. goes both ways.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 8:30 pm to
Nah. I don't think there is some grand conspiracy. I did think they were holding the publish date until after the series premiere so they could catch the roll over publicity, but that's hardly a conspiracy. That's just marketing.

I really think George is just full of himself and a bit lazy. He's content to rest on his laurels, and more than a little intimidated by what he has created.

The way he treats his fans or they allow themselves to be treated is kind of sickening. The whole brotherhood without banners questing thing is weird. If he tried to send me out for pizza I would punch him in the throat. I've met a lot of authors in my day (my sis was the special events coordinator for Books a Million) and he by far is the biggest jerk I've met.

I'll read the novel when it comes out, but I'll probably just pick it up at the library or download it from the library to my nook. Like I've said before I'm kind of over multiple POV epic novels. I will give him credit where credit is due, but I'm honestly not expecting a whole lot from this book.
Posted by Ray_G
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 8:34 pm to
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You sound like a super-fun guy to hang out with.

Thanks dude :)


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false, don't think AFFC's turnaround was anyhere near that

heh.

Gurm announced it was done on May 29, 2005.
(LINK )

AFFC was released on November 8, 2005.
(LINK /)

That's 5 months, 10 days. How does it feel to be so very wrong?
Or do you not consider 5 months, 10 days "anywhere near" the 6 months I stated?

Ouch dude, sorry for embarrassing you so hard :(

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says the troll to the multi-million selling author.

You're correct. People shouldn't be permitted an opinion or to state a criticism unless they're as successful as the target of criticism.

Logic isn't considered your strong suit, is it?

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This part of your post is trolling. Along with several other statements that you have no way of actually knowing. You are just throwing out retarded statements and hoping your vitriol will keep someone from calling you on it.


Someone's unfamiliar with the concept of hyperbole :(
Sorry bro.

Read his blog sometime. It's ridiculous. He's always either at a con or planing to attend one. He hardly ever talked about ASOIAF before the HBO show started production up, opting instead to endlessly post about "Wild Cards" - a truly horrible series. He's made a TON of blog posts that start with "IT'S DONE!!!" and then go on to describe how the latest Wild Cards book will be on store shelves whenever. The first few times were sort of funny. Now he's just trolling his fans, but only those fiercely loyal enough to believe anything the fat man says.

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hardly, just bc I don't buy every conspiracy

A conspiracy is, by definition, a plot between two or more people. There isn't a secret cabal hatching plans to discredit the Gurm; he's done that all by himself.

The closest thing to a conspiracy here is when the Gurm takes a trip on a jet and is forced to purchase two tickets. Because he's as big as two people combined, you see.
Posted by Ray_G
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 8:40 pm to
I didn't write this. Comes from another board I frequent, but it's a good recap of the last five years of Wild Cards and lemoncakes.

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What are you all waiting for, anyway? What could be worth this?

The fifth and final* volume of GEORGE R.R. MARTIN'S A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE will be tited A Dance with Dragons. When he finished Feast in 2005, he said that Dance was half-done and would be published the next year. 2006 came and went, with no progress. So did 2007. In 2008, the GRRM posted on his blog that he should be done that year, and his publisher promised a release date of September 30th. The GRRM said he would need to be finished with the manuscript by June in order to accomplish this. He was not.

In February of 2009, the GRRM posted again that he would try to be finished by June, for a publication date in September or October. He said "I think I can do that." He could not.

He pushed the date for completion back to September or October. He missed those, too. He temporarily stopped giving estimates on his completion.

On October 10th, 2010, his publisher reported that the book had only 5 chapters remaining unfinished, and that they expected to have the completed manuscript by December. Viconia, in a gleeful frenzy, closed the current iteration of the Bad Thread and posted her own, proclaiming to the heavens that there were only five chapters left. December came and went; in an interview, the GRRM claimed he was almost done. 2010 ended without seeing a completed manuscript.

In January 2011, the GRRM posted that he had recently had a near miss with death, by means of a urinary tract infection that progressed to generalized sepsis. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth in The Bad Thread that he had not, in fact, died.

On March 3rd, 2011, the publisher set yet another release date, this one for July 12th, 2011. The GRRM proclaimed his commitment to meeting this deadline, saying that all the other release dates had been "wishful thinking, boundless optimism, cockeyed dreams, [and] honest mistakes."

The book is not done.

*Although the series will require at least two more novels to wrap up all the story lines, if not more, the GRRM will not live long enough to complete them. Even in the unexpected outcome that he manages to finish Dance before he dies, the rest is going to have to come from the work of another author. Brandon Sanderson comes to mind.



Funny pic:
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 8:42 pm
Posted by SpqrTiger
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 8:46 pm to
Well, this is how I see it...

The dude is a solid writer who's delivered some of the best reading experiences I've ever had.

He's in no big hurry to finish the series. Maybe he's not in love with the story and characters like he used to be. I can understand that.

Are people frustrated by all of this? Yeah. I can understand that, too.

But George R.R. Martin is the guy who controls the Starks and the Lannisters and all of those characters we love to read. It's going to get done when he does it. We need to let go of that.

Martin is big enough to where money won't motivate him, or pressure from fans or anything. Ultimately, that's probably a good thing, because he's going to tell HIS story and not what WE want or what his publisher wants. It's a great thing to be an author with the ability to say, "no" to everyone else's "great" ideas.

When the book gets here, if you want to read it, read it and choose to like it or not. If you've had enough of Martin's bullshite, don't read it. Martin has the power to create Westeros... but you have the power to destroy it (as far as yourself is concerned) by not giving a crap about it anymore.
Posted by Ray_G
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/27/11 at 8:47 pm to
Finally, because I really do love all of you, here's some hilariously awful fanfic that will hopefully scar you for life! ;)

[quote=Someone from the GRRM Book Barn thread at SA]
He didn't remember being captured.
Jaimie struggled against his bonds but found the act fruitless. He was surprised to find that he still had his golden hand on. How did they capture him? He saw his men lying on the ground, dead or dying. His squire Peck was tied to a tree and Sir Payne was tied to his horse. Why kill everyone and us these three? The men who now had control of his camp were everywhere. They wore bright yellow armor and had a signet of a dragon rapped around a tree. Odd. He had never seen armor like this before. What was going on?


Jaimie saw the smallest man walking towards him. At first, for half a second, he believed it too be Tyrion but this man was unbelievably shorter than Tryion he was. His body was covered in the same strange yellow armor and helmet but with a red strip across his chest.

"Hmm hehehe. Kinslayer!" The short yellow man said.
"Do I know you?"
"Oh brotha, don't tell me you've forgotten me already?"
Startled, Jaime gasped. "Impossible. You're supposed to be dead!" He whispered hoarsely.
"MMmm hmhmhmhmmmm! I'm a lot harder to kill." The yellow man lifted off his helmet and revealed a face he hadn't seen in 15 years.
"Winnie the Pooh!" Jaime said disbelieving. "My father destroyed your house 15 years ago."

A pink armored man came up beside Pooh. He could only be none other than Sir Piglet. "Oh D-d-d-dear-dear! You shut your mouth Kinslayer! The 100 Acre Wood lives on in the hearts of those who still remember!"

"Your house is dead and the memories as well. All I see is a bunch of broken animals."
"Bastard!" Piglet pulled out his sword.
"No Piglet. Death is too easy. I want to savor my revenge. I'll have my revenge! Tigger, bend him over!"
"That's what tiggers do best!"
"Afraid of me even now Pooh? Why don't you fight me, single combat? Too cowardly to fight a cripple?"
"No..." Pooh pulled down his breeches. His magnificent golden penis stood in the air like a golden statue. It made his golden hand look like dull copper. "I prefer to make you suffer!"

Jaimie's breeches were pulled off. "You bastard..."

"You'll enjoy this as much as I will."


He remembered what he had told Brienne that day. When it happened, you had to go inside yourself. Endure. All thoughts left his mind when Winnie the Pooh shoved his ten inch penis inside Jaimie Lannister's arse. Jaimie screamed louder than he had when his hand was cut off. In some ways, this was far, far worse. Winnie the Pooh was fricking him in the arse! And too his shame, this was also far, far better than times with Cersei. Winnie the Pooh pumped Jaimie from behind like a wild animal. It was both horrible pain and addictive pleasure. He didn't know whether he was moaning from his tearing arse or the pulsing pleasure.


Out of no where, Kylaer, Dendra and IRQ walked in the clearing. They saw Jaimie Lannister, looked at each other in confusion, than backed away slowly into the unknown.

Jaimie gasped. The pressure from his arse was gone. He was already missing the pleasure. He had time long enough to see Sir Payne getting raped from behind by Piglet before his line of vision was cut off by Winnie the Pooh's massive member.

"You moan too much..." Before Jaimie had time to reply, his mouth was penetrated. He resisted at first, but found himself not resisting hard. It was so wrong, but felt so, so right.
It was over fast. He felt Pooh shudder and release his seed in Jaimie's mouth.
"*cough* Dear god... it... *cough* taste like honey." It was the most wonderful taste he had ever tasted.
"Kinslayer... you are now my wife." Pooh announced.
"Yes..." Jaimie wheezed and swallowed.
"You are going to live a long time Kinslayer." Winnie the Pooh shuddered. "Only you remember my true identity. Only you remember my real name."


"Winnie the Pooh..." Jaimie said slowly. "Targaryen!" [/quote]

I love you all.
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 4/27/11 at 8:57 pm to
Rays a perfect ex. of the ppl whove taken it a little too personal.
Still think itll never be pub'd this summer?
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