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A Stanford fan's take on Trent Johnson
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:20 am
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:20 am
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I found the last paragraph kind of frightening.
"Change on its own is no guarantee of success, but retaining Trent Johnson is a guarantee of the following: 20 point losses, dwindling attendance, golden potential gleefully squandered, scoring droughts long enough to read The Economist cover to cover, and a once-proud program sinking into an abyss of mediocrity unseen since the dark ages that preceded Mike Montgomery. Who, the last time I checked, wasn’t up to a whole lot."
This is like reading the BYU take on Crouton. Please don't delete, as I'm not calling for his firing, but it's time that we look objectively at Trent Johnson. These are the things that we didn't hear when he was hired that are seeming more and more true each day.
I found the last paragraph kind of frightening.
"Change on its own is no guarantee of success, but retaining Trent Johnson is a guarantee of the following: 20 point losses, dwindling attendance, golden potential gleefully squandered, scoring droughts long enough to read The Economist cover to cover, and a once-proud program sinking into an abyss of mediocrity unseen since the dark ages that preceded Mike Montgomery. Who, the last time I checked, wasn’t up to a whole lot."
This is like reading the BYU take on Crouton. Please don't delete, as I'm not calling for his firing, but it's time that we look objectively at Trent Johnson. These are the things that we didn't hear when he was hired that are seeming more and more true each day.
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Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:22 am to Jester
Yep, Trent can hit the road. No way he turns this team around.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:29 am to Jester
I would love to know this guy's opinion of Trent after the Sweet 16 year.
I also want to know why Stanford is sitting at 13-11 right now under Johnny Dawkins? He brought in Dwight Powell (a 5* player) and still has done little in a weak Pac 10 (outside of Arizona and Washington).
Not trying to defend Trent here, just putting things in perspective.
I also want to know why Stanford is sitting at 13-11 right now under Johnny Dawkins? He brought in Dwight Powell (a 5* player) and still has done little in a weak Pac 10 (outside of Arizona and Washington).
Not trying to defend Trent here, just putting things in perspective.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:34 am to Jester
Why don't you go dig up that guy eating crow because he won 28 games the next year
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:38 am to Jester
I think it's noteworthy that TJ was the Pac 10 coach of the year and went to the Sweet 16 a year after this was written.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:08 pm to Jester
Homerun hire for Alleva! Imagine what he'd bring in based on the rumors if Miles left. If it was who was rumored, sound like a Alleva like hire... 
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:24 pm to Jester
quote:
This is like reading the BYU take on Crouton. Please don't delete, as I'm not calling for his firing, but it's time that we look objectively at Trent Johnson. These are the things that we didn't hear when he was hired that are seeming more and more true each day.
This is an oversimplistic analysis to say the least. And this is reflective of the biggest problem with the majority of criticism on this board. It is made at such a high level, that it truly is worthless.
Try taking a look a little bit deeper to figure out why LSU is struggling the way it is. Is it personnel? Is that Johnson's fault? Has the problem been corrected? When will he have the personnel needed to compete? If you answer these questions, then you might be closer to figuring out whether Johnson is the right coach or not.
Simply pointing to a post from someone years ago that resembles the situation that we are in is meaningless. Try harder.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:34 pm to Jester
I'm starting to agree with this assessment.
It's one thing to have the year LSU had last year - that was understandable.
This year - I would have expected to see more improvement than we've seen. Injuries have been a factor but getting outplayed the way they are some things have to change and its up to Trent to make those changes in staff. He has probably has two more years of excuses.
It's one thing to have the year LSU had last year - that was understandable.
This year - I would have expected to see more improvement than we've seen. Injuries have been a factor but getting outplayed the way they are some things have to change and its up to Trent to make those changes in staff. He has probably has two more years of excuses.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:35 pm to Jester
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This is like reading the BYU take on Crouton
This post was edited on 2/14/11 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 2/14/11 at 2:30 pm to Jester
I'm not reading the whole thread as i'm sure its filled with idiotic responses, but this in no way is similar to what that guy wrote about Crowton, there was a pattern there, there isn't here. Also, its funny that someone would post this and then get proven wrong the very next year when TJ leads that team to a great season.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:50 pm to Jester
I give him one more year to prove what he's got. He has a 7' 260 lb. Iowa State transfer in Justin Hamilton and a 6'10" 240 lb. freak of nature recruit in Johnny O' Bryant. Lack of post presence has been his main problem in his tenure at LSU. This will open up shots for our relatively talented guards who can be good when they don't have to be the stars. If he can't win with these guys, he won't win with anybody.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:21 pm to Jester
Maybe Alleva will get Les to offer Trent some recruiting advice. 
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:24 pm to Jester
Johnson won't cut it for much longer.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 11:50 pm to Jester
quote:
This is like reading the BYU take on Crouton.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:19 am to Jester
Didn't Stanford win 28 games the next season?
So, we care bout this guys take why?
This year and next are pretty much a given for TJ to be here. We just need to ride it out and see if the man can turn it around.
So, we care bout this guys take why?
This year and next are pretty much a given for TJ to be here. We just need to ride it out and see if the man can turn it around.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:51 am to Jester
I bet that Stanford fan is wishing they still had Trent Johnson right about now given that the state of Stanford's basketball program right now is worse than it was under TJ. To emphasize how hard of times Stanford's once proud basketball program has fallen on, Oregon (a team picked before the season to finish dead last in a God awful Pac-10) beat Stanford in Palo Alto this year for the first time in 25 years. That's after we fired our long time coach in Ernie Kent last season too. Yeah his most successful year at Stanford was with the Lopez twins, but those were also his recruits.
Just coming from an outsider's perspective, but I do like Trent Johnson. I've been following him since his days turning Nevada into the basketball power in the state during his time there (older fans will obviously remember the UNLV teams from the 80's and early 90's) and I do think he is a good coach. Great coach? Not in the slightest otherwise some big name basketball school would have snagged him by now obviously, but he has seen some form of success everywhere he has been.
With all that said, he did have a horrible season last year and this one is looking to be much of the same in that regard, so I do very much understand the criticism shot towards him. I don't know how Trent will do next season obviously, but I do understand the sentiment that he needs to prove himself next season. I can tell you I as well as many of my fellow Oregon basketball fans were pretty frustrated when Ernie Kent was coaching at Oregon and constantly having 2 mediocre/bad seasons followed by a really good season over and over again. I mean Oregon isn't really a power when it comes to basketball but at the same time we have had some really good teams during the Kent years (Elite 8 in the '02 and '07 tournaments). When a team tastes success, all the fans do is want more of it. That's just the nature of sports in general. In this situation, I think Trent's downfall at LSU was the tremendous success he saw in his first year coaching you guys, as you went to the Sweet 16 that year. Obviously you want the guy to win but that sets the bar higher. But again, that's just how any sport is so I do believe it's fair for people to say that he has one more year to prove himself, as others in this thread have argued. That's just my 2 cents on the matter.
Just coming from an outsider's perspective, but I do like Trent Johnson. I've been following him since his days turning Nevada into the basketball power in the state during his time there (older fans will obviously remember the UNLV teams from the 80's and early 90's) and I do think he is a good coach. Great coach? Not in the slightest otherwise some big name basketball school would have snagged him by now obviously, but he has seen some form of success everywhere he has been.
With all that said, he did have a horrible season last year and this one is looking to be much of the same in that regard, so I do very much understand the criticism shot towards him. I don't know how Trent will do next season obviously, but I do understand the sentiment that he needs to prove himself next season. I can tell you I as well as many of my fellow Oregon basketball fans were pretty frustrated when Ernie Kent was coaching at Oregon and constantly having 2 mediocre/bad seasons followed by a really good season over and over again. I mean Oregon isn't really a power when it comes to basketball but at the same time we have had some really good teams during the Kent years (Elite 8 in the '02 and '07 tournaments). When a team tastes success, all the fans do is want more of it. That's just the nature of sports in general. In this situation, I think Trent's downfall at LSU was the tremendous success he saw in his first year coaching you guys, as you went to the Sweet 16 that year. Obviously you want the guy to win but that sets the bar higher. But again, that's just how any sport is so I do believe it's fair for people to say that he has one more year to prove himself, as others in this thread have argued. That's just my 2 cents on the matter.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 5:44 am to Jester
This is all Lester Earls' fault anyway
Posted on 2/15/11 at 8:33 pm to Jester
There is a part of me that would not be overly surprised to see Joe make a change after this season. Yet, there is also a part of me that would not be overly surprised to see TJ hang around for another year and if no progress, then Joe makes a change. My gut feeling is that something will need to give this next season or it's curtains for Trent.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:06 pm to Jester
This was before the sweet 16? Why is this even relavent?
Posted on 2/16/11 at 11:12 am to Jester
Im patient enough to give Trent 2 more seasons to work on this team. I believe he will turn this around.
Can only go up from here anyway right
Can only go up from here anyway right
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