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Seriously, what's with the Oregon hype?
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:56 am
They are losing:
Offense:
2 starting WR's
3 of 5 starting offensive lineman
Defense:
3 of 4 starting defensive lineman
2 of 3 starting linebackers
1 of 4 starting defensive backs...
* Not to mention any juniors that might have declared early.
* Not to mention that I'm not convinced this team would have beat LSU this past season. Sure, they made their game versus Auburn close in the end, but they were essentially DOMINATED that game, and Auburn never lost control even with Cam having been injured and them running a very conservative gameplan.
I just don't see the logic behind this game hype. They aren't what they were in 2010 and I'm not convinced they deserved to be in that game anyways. A point a minute versus pac 10 competition == 11 points for 3.8/4 of an entire game versus the 5th or 6th defense in the SEC.
Offense:
2 starting WR's
3 of 5 starting offensive lineman
Defense:
3 of 4 starting defensive lineman
2 of 3 starting linebackers
1 of 4 starting defensive backs...
* Not to mention any juniors that might have declared early.
* Not to mention that I'm not convinced this team would have beat LSU this past season. Sure, they made their game versus Auburn close in the end, but they were essentially DOMINATED that game, and Auburn never lost control even with Cam having been injured and them running a very conservative gameplan.
I just don't see the logic behind this game hype. They aren't what they were in 2010 and I'm not convinced they deserved to be in that game anyways. A point a minute versus pac 10 competition == 11 points for 3.8/4 of an entire game versus the 5th or 6th defense in the SEC.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:59 am to EricB
They'll be hyped up till we skull-frick them in Dallas. I don't see any way they stay on the field with us for longer than a quarter. However, things change when the lights come on and you never know I guess.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 12:00 pm to EricB
They bring back their coach, QB, and all American RB. It is going to be a very tough game. And LSU struggles against this type of offense (see Ole Miss)
This post was edited on 2/9/11 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 2/9/11 at 12:02 pm to EricB
How does that compare with what LSU is losing? And unless we have a look at what Oregon is replacing their departing starters with, let's not talk about what LSU has behind PP7, Ridley, Shepperd, Nevis, etc.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 12:04 pm to EricB
Well, just for fun, Oregon has been one of the 2 best teams in the Pac 10 the last few years, they just played in the BCS Title game, should have a Heisman contender, run a high-scoring offense...
we'll need to play our A-game to win. Same as if we played a top team from the Big 10 or Big 12 (and btw maybe those conferences should swap titles); just a big regional matchup when most folks play cupcakes.
we'll need to play our A-game to win. Same as if we played a top team from the Big 10 or Big 12 (and btw maybe those conferences should swap titles); just a big regional matchup when most folks play cupcakes.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 1:51 pm to EricB
With the exception of Arizona, we haven't exactly proved to be dominate over the Pac 10. Az State, OR State, and WashU all played us tough. What makes you think Oregon won't either?
Posted on 2/9/11 at 3:37 pm to EricB
quote:
Seriously, what's with the Oregon hype?
they have elite speed athletes galore at their disposal in DeAnthony Thomas, Lache Seastrunk, Kenjon Barner, and LaMichael James. Also, they return their QB in Darron Thomas who was solid last year for them. Chip Kelly is an offensive genius.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 3:42 pm to EricB
QB Darron Thomas 2881 pass yds, 30 TDs, 486 rush yds 5 TDs
RB LaMichael James 1731 rush yds, 21 TDs
RB Kenjon Barner 551 yds, 6 TDs
WR Lavasier Tuinei 396 rec yds, 2 TDS
WR Josh Huff 303 rec yds, 3 TDs, 214 rush yds
TE David Paulson 414 rec yds, 4 TDS
RB LaMichael James 1731 rush yds, 21 TDs
RB Kenjon Barner 551 yds, 6 TDs
WR Lavasier Tuinei 396 rec yds, 2 TDS
WR Josh Huff 303 rec yds, 3 TDs, 214 rush yds
TE David Paulson 414 rec yds, 4 TDS
Posted on 2/9/11 at 4:06 pm to EricB
Still plenty of skill players returning
Played in the BCS NCG. Almost won
First game of the year.
Oregon deserves the hype until they prove less.
Played in the BCS NCG. Almost won
First game of the year.
Oregon deserves the hype until they prove less.
This post was edited on 2/9/11 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:22 am to EricB
Ok so I'm an Oregon fan and I'll try and break down our situation position by position as best as I can here since none of my fellow Duck fans have done so thus far.
QB: We return Darron Thomas obviously but we also have a very capable backup in Bryan Bennett waiting in the wings. After that it gets a little murky but we will likely have Daryle Hawkins as the 3rd string QB and we'll probably try and redshirt incoming freshman Marcus Mariota. Bennett actually has more talent as a passer and is quicker than Thomas but Thomas has been battle tested much more and has a better grasp of the offense so I'd be shocked if he lost his spot.
RB: This and DB are probably our deepest positions going into next season. Again, everyone has heard of LaMichael James but we also have a very capable back up in Kenjon Barner who will also get touches against LSU. Chip Kelly looks at both backs as running back 1a and 1b, respectively. To round out the depth chart are Lache Seastrunk and Dontae Williams, who both redshirted last year and will likely give both James and Barner a rest. Add in De'Anthony Thomas and the Oregon backfield becomes very explosive.
WR: The loss of Jeff Maehl and Drew Davis hurts here, as they both had very sure hands (particularly Jeff Maehl). With that said, we do return our 3rd WR in Lavasier Tuinei who will provide experience to the position. Josh Huff returns as our 'tazer,' as Chip Kelly refers to it (pretty much a RB lined up as a WR in our offense). We also were very successful this year in regards to recruiting WRs as we brought in Devon Blackmon (very fast WR who is very good at creating separation), Rahsaan Vaughn (heavily recruited JC WR), B.J. Kelley (less recruited JC WR than Vaughn), and Tacoi Sumler (some claim he is the fastest recruit in the entire 2011 recruiting class). Keanon Lowe and Blake Cantu may fight for reps too.
TE: We return everyone here. We have 3 viable TE options in David Paulson (starter from last year), Brandon Williams, and Curtis White (both Williams and White dealt with injury last year but they did well when they played). We also have incoming recruit Christian French who may play at TE as well (we'll see after spring/fall practices) but if he does end up at TE he would likely redshirt.
OL: We lose a bit of experience here with Jordan Holmes, Bo Thran, and C.E. Kaiser. That said, we still return Carson York and Mark Asper as well as several key contributors who got regular minutes last year such as Darrion Weems and Nick Cody (both likely starters). We also have Ryan Clanton (likely the 5th starter), Nick Rowland, and Hroniss Grasu, who all redshirted last year and have the potential to get significant minutes. We added some major beef with this recruiting class but if I were a betting man I'd think they'll all redshirt with the possible exceptions of Andre Yruretagoyena (Andre Y for short) and Tyler Johnstone. Like last year, we will likely rely heavily on substitutions to build depth yet again.
DL: Big blow to this position here losing Brandon Bair, Zac Clark, and Kenny Rowe. The players who will step into their shoes are Taylor Hart, Wade Keliikipi, and Dion Jordan, respectively. Brandon Hanna, Anthony Anderson, Ricky Heimuli, Isaac Remington, and Jared Ebert will probably be the ones to provide depth. This will be our biggest hole as the players are young.
LB: Losing Casey Matthews and Spencer Paysinger hurt from a leadership standpoint but despite what we lose in that regard, we make up for somehow in talent. Michael Clay returns as a starter at Will backer with Kiko Alonso (suspended for the season last year) at Mike and Josh Kaddu at Sam. DeWitt Stuckey, Boseko Lokombo, and Derrick Malone will fight for reps as well. We also have Anthony Wallace out of Dallas coming in as a Mike backer and Colt Lyerla (aka the most physically gifted athlete in the recruiting class of '11) who will have a chance to crack the two deep. Lyerla will start at offense during spring but I think he'll make his way to defense by the time fall rolls around.
DB: By far the deepest position on our team. We have Cliff Harris, who is by far our best DB and arguably the best returning DB in college football. We do lose Talmadge Jackson III but Terrence Mitchell will step in the spot just fine I think. John Boyett and Eddie Pleasant both return at FS and Rover, respectively. To round out the depth we have Anthony Gildon, Avery Patterson, Marcus Davis (transfer from Texas), Scott Grady, Brian Jackson, Erick Dargan, and Dior Mathis.
Special Teams: We return both our kicker and punter who are both solid/good. As for returners, we have Cliff Harris at PR and Kenjon Barner/Josh Huff at KR. All 3 are very explosive returners.
Hope this was a help for those who were interested. A lot of this is my best guess at the moment as we won't find out until spring/fall what will actually happen. I'm hoping for a great game as I hope to attend it. I'm hoping to enjoy a great atmosphere for a football game between 2 talented football teams and two ballsy coaches. Good luck this offseason and most importantly: Go Ducks!
QB: We return Darron Thomas obviously but we also have a very capable backup in Bryan Bennett waiting in the wings. After that it gets a little murky but we will likely have Daryle Hawkins as the 3rd string QB and we'll probably try and redshirt incoming freshman Marcus Mariota. Bennett actually has more talent as a passer and is quicker than Thomas but Thomas has been battle tested much more and has a better grasp of the offense so I'd be shocked if he lost his spot.
RB: This and DB are probably our deepest positions going into next season. Again, everyone has heard of LaMichael James but we also have a very capable back up in Kenjon Barner who will also get touches against LSU. Chip Kelly looks at both backs as running back 1a and 1b, respectively. To round out the depth chart are Lache Seastrunk and Dontae Williams, who both redshirted last year and will likely give both James and Barner a rest. Add in De'Anthony Thomas and the Oregon backfield becomes very explosive.
WR: The loss of Jeff Maehl and Drew Davis hurts here, as they both had very sure hands (particularly Jeff Maehl). With that said, we do return our 3rd WR in Lavasier Tuinei who will provide experience to the position. Josh Huff returns as our 'tazer,' as Chip Kelly refers to it (pretty much a RB lined up as a WR in our offense). We also were very successful this year in regards to recruiting WRs as we brought in Devon Blackmon (very fast WR who is very good at creating separation), Rahsaan Vaughn (heavily recruited JC WR), B.J. Kelley (less recruited JC WR than Vaughn), and Tacoi Sumler (some claim he is the fastest recruit in the entire 2011 recruiting class). Keanon Lowe and Blake Cantu may fight for reps too.
TE: We return everyone here. We have 3 viable TE options in David Paulson (starter from last year), Brandon Williams, and Curtis White (both Williams and White dealt with injury last year but they did well when they played). We also have incoming recruit Christian French who may play at TE as well (we'll see after spring/fall practices) but if he does end up at TE he would likely redshirt.
OL: We lose a bit of experience here with Jordan Holmes, Bo Thran, and C.E. Kaiser. That said, we still return Carson York and Mark Asper as well as several key contributors who got regular minutes last year such as Darrion Weems and Nick Cody (both likely starters). We also have Ryan Clanton (likely the 5th starter), Nick Rowland, and Hroniss Grasu, who all redshirted last year and have the potential to get significant minutes. We added some major beef with this recruiting class but if I were a betting man I'd think they'll all redshirt with the possible exceptions of Andre Yruretagoyena (Andre Y for short) and Tyler Johnstone. Like last year, we will likely rely heavily on substitutions to build depth yet again.
DL: Big blow to this position here losing Brandon Bair, Zac Clark, and Kenny Rowe. The players who will step into their shoes are Taylor Hart, Wade Keliikipi, and Dion Jordan, respectively. Brandon Hanna, Anthony Anderson, Ricky Heimuli, Isaac Remington, and Jared Ebert will probably be the ones to provide depth. This will be our biggest hole as the players are young.
LB: Losing Casey Matthews and Spencer Paysinger hurt from a leadership standpoint but despite what we lose in that regard, we make up for somehow in talent. Michael Clay returns as a starter at Will backer with Kiko Alonso (suspended for the season last year) at Mike and Josh Kaddu at Sam. DeWitt Stuckey, Boseko Lokombo, and Derrick Malone will fight for reps as well. We also have Anthony Wallace out of Dallas coming in as a Mike backer and Colt Lyerla (aka the most physically gifted athlete in the recruiting class of '11) who will have a chance to crack the two deep. Lyerla will start at offense during spring but I think he'll make his way to defense by the time fall rolls around.
DB: By far the deepest position on our team. We have Cliff Harris, who is by far our best DB and arguably the best returning DB in college football. We do lose Talmadge Jackson III but Terrence Mitchell will step in the spot just fine I think. John Boyett and Eddie Pleasant both return at FS and Rover, respectively. To round out the depth we have Anthony Gildon, Avery Patterson, Marcus Davis (transfer from Texas), Scott Grady, Brian Jackson, Erick Dargan, and Dior Mathis.
Special Teams: We return both our kicker and punter who are both solid/good. As for returners, we have Cliff Harris at PR and Kenjon Barner/Josh Huff at KR. All 3 are very explosive returners.
Hope this was a help for those who were interested. A lot of this is my best guess at the moment as we won't find out until spring/fall what will actually happen. I'm hoping for a great game as I hope to attend it. I'm hoping to enjoy a great atmosphere for a football game between 2 talented football teams and two ballsy coaches. Good luck this offseason and most importantly: Go Ducks!
Posted on 2/10/11 at 11:03 am to EricB
LSUs recent history against the spread probably has something to do with people being worried...
Posted on 2/10/11 at 11:28 am to EricB
quote:
Seriously, what's with the Oregon hype?
They were 3 points away from being an undefeated national champion, and they return their QB and full coaching staff.
LSU has a new OC, maybe a new QB, and doesnt seem to play good defense against a spread team.
That's my concerns, at least.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 11:35 am to EricB
quote:
They are losing:
Offense:
2 starting WR's
3 of 5 starting offensive lineman
Defense:
3 of 4 starting defensive lineman
2 of 3 starting linebackers
1 of 4 starting defensive backs...
Posted on 2/10/11 at 3:40 pm to EricB
Oregon's pace will kill you. Except of course when it hangs out on the sideline all game.
I will say that their DB #13 might be better than PP7 but dunno if he went pro or not...
I will say that their DB #13 might be better than PP7 but dunno if he went pro or not...
Posted on 2/10/11 at 5:16 pm to EricB
LSU rolls in this one.........get ready.....
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:04 am to EricB
quote:
I just don't see the logic behind this game hype.
because you don't follow them and don't know what they have.
It is of course highly unusual for a team that was in the title game last year to get ranked high the next year
ETA :and not finish in the top 10 like LSU in 04 and 08 or Texas and Bama last year
This post was edited on 2/11/11 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/11/11 at 3:04 pm to EricB
quote:
Offense:
2 starting WR's
3 of 5 starting offensive lineman
Defense:
3 of 4 starting defensive lineman
2 of 3 starting linebackers
and we are breaking in a new OC and:
new QB*
new LT
new #1 WR
new RB
new MLB
2 new DT's
new #1 CB
* if Mettenberger starts
The only real concern for me right now is the DT position and if we can get penetration.if not it might be a long night for the defense. if we can get steady production from the DT's we should wear them down by the second half.
offensively, I think we should have decent success against them since Miles and Kragethrope will be on the same page schematically.
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