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re: Someone help me out.. why do you start Jefferson?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:13 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:13 pm to CptBengal
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So how many yards did Bama get running their qb? You may have just forgot to post them
They don't need the threat of running the QB to have a viable running game, LSU does.
ETA:
Forget it, you two just have an agenda, and it doesn't have anything to do with LSU winning football games this season.
You both seem to think I like JJ better than JL, you're wrong.
I just want LSU to win Saturday, and I happen to not only understand what MIles is saying, but have seen it play out on the field, and believe he's trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Good Luck getting to see what you want Mrs Bengal and 55, I have the feeluing the two of you will be doing an awful lot of crying this season.
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 1:18 pm
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Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:17 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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It doesn's matter what the route is, if you recognize it won't work, put the ball where only your guy HAS A CHANCE at it - basically, throw it away and kick a FG.
You obviously didn't even SEE the play in question if that is your position.
Ridley had to stop, and try to get around the defender to get at the ball. It was thrown short of the intended target, and it just so happened that was right where the defender was.
All JL had to do was spot the defender and go long instead of short. He had plenty of time, and put beautiful touch on the ball, only it was the wrong pass to make.
You sure are smoking something, but it ain't me.
now, i want to see you type with the same passionate hatred Jefferson's blunders....can you do it?
if not...your JJ...
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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see, you would throw the ball to the primary target even if he was quadruple covered just because that was the route that was supposed to be run.
You're thinking JJ. HE stares down receivers....
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It doesn's matter what the route is, if you recognize it won't work, put the ball where only your guy HAS A CHANCE at it - basically, throw it away and kick a FG.
Ok he made a mistake and got the ball picked. JJ was kind enough to double that number of ints in less than half the attempts, and even provide good field position to UT in the process. In fact, they had to miss a FG to stop from scoring.
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You obviously didn't even SEE the play in question if that is your position.
My seats are 5 rows up on the 20 yd line. I saw it fine. Defender made a good play on the ball. JL would have been better throwing it away. Guess that comes with more game time experience...oh wait, no JJ still throws bad balls and has been starting for like 19 games...lulz. quote:
Ridley had to stop, and try to get around the defender to get at the ball. It was thrown short of the intended target, and it just so happened that was right where the defender was.
look up what a wheel route is, then come back and talk.
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All JL had to do was spot the defender and go long instead of short. He had plenty of time, and put beautiful touch on the ball, only it was the wrong pass to make.
it's a timing route. JL timed and threw the ball to WHERE he was supposed to throw it. I know you think JJ is da bestest, but you are NOT supposed to wait for the receiver to be running 5 yards free BEFORE you throw a timing route. FAIL AGAIN.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:22 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Forget it, you two just have an agenda, and it doesn't have anything to do with LSU winning football games this season.
Playing JL will win us more football games than playing JJ the rest of the season...FACT.
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You both seem to think I like JJ better than JL, you're wrong.
Really, all you do is talk about how excellent JJ is and how bad JL is...you are quite transparent.
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and I happen to not only understand what MIles is saying,
Then you are the only one.
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but have seen it play out on the field,
How could you watch...
3/12
30 yds
0 tds
2 ints
And think starting and playing JJ is the best solution?
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Good Luck getting to see what you want Mrs Bengal and 55, I have the feeluing the two of you will be doing an awful lot of crying this season.
If we play JJ and lose, yes I will. BTW, nice attempt at the "Mrs" comment, but pathetic.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Forget it, you two just have an agenda, and it doesn't have anything to do with LSU winning football games this season.
we both understand what your saying...were saying that its the wrong thought...
your saying we cant run the ball without JJ because the D has and extra man because JL wont run it. I get it...
what we both know is that JJ is not a running QB...Shep is...if your going to make us one deminsional at least do it with the best player on the team... I promise you this...if you run the zone read with JJ Fla is going to stuff it...they run it and they know how to defend it...
yes the play good pass D...that doesnt mean be scared and not throw the ball...its football...takes calculated risk...thats what it takes to have special seasons...
run play action with JLee and they will drop people into coverage...run the draw...run the screen...then hit them deep...its what we did 3 years ago with the same type of personel...it worked...thats our identity...thats bad coaching to not see that we can do that.!!!!
its what bengal and i have been trying to tell you!!!
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:24 pm to PPBeastMode
AND 2 INT'S 5 IN 2 GAMES NO TD NOT EVEN 100 YARDS PASSING IN 2 GAMES
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:29 pm to CptBengal
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I know you think JJ is da bestest
Link?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:29 pm to TigerFan55555
hey bengal..
you think we could do this...
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run play action with JLee and they will drop people into coverage...then run the draw while they are back on their heels...run the screen after they over pursue...then hit them deep when they are coming for the run...its what we did 3 years ago with the same type of personel...it worked...thats our identity...thats bad coaching to not see that we can do that.!!!!
hell, i should be the damn OC...id take 100k..even save them some money...
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:38 pm to CptBengal
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Playing JL will win us more football games than playing JJ the rest of the season
Link?
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Really, all you do is talk about how excellent JJ is and how bad JL is
Link?
I've stated at least TWICE in this thread, "Passing game: JL>JJ>RS"
That is a big FAIL on your part.
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How could you watch...
3/12
30 yds
0 tds
2 ints
And think starting and playing JJ is the best solution?
Are you people fricking blind and not just ignorant?
here is what I've said AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN:
JJ gives LSU a better running game than JL. LSU needs to run the ball against UF.
I've also said that Lee gives us a better chance to come from behind by passing.
Things I did NOT say:
LSU should not throw a pass against UF.
JJ is a better QB than JL.
JL should not see any snaps against UF.
The reason I didn't say those things is that I don't believe them to be true.
I know you want me to believe them to be true, but I don't. Sorry.
But no wonder y'all don't understand Miles, y'all can't even read simple sentences and understand them.
If JL can show a deep threat passing so that UF has to back off their safties into coverage, that will also open up the running game for Ridley. he hasn't shown this yet - but he may. I say keep putting him in.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
setting you up is too easy.
then start Shep.
you did say RS>JJ>JL.
Face it....there is NO reason to play JJ. You want to run, play shep. You want to pass play JL...you want to lose, play JJ.
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JJ gives LSU a better running game than JL. LSU needs to run the ball against UF.
then start Shep.
you did say RS>JJ>JL.
Face it....there is NO reason to play JJ. You want to run, play shep. You want to pass play JL...you want to lose, play JJ.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:43 pm to CptBengal
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then start Shep.
you did say RS>JJ>JL.
Face it....there is NO reason to play JJ. You want to run, play shep. You want to pass play JL...you want to lose, play JJ.
loved that
+100000000000000000000000000000000
thanks bengal
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:45 pm to TigerFan55555
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run play action with JLee and they will drop people into coverage
The problem with this is that defenses don't have to respect the pass much with Lee in.
I know you want to think that because JJ sucks as a passing QB, then they HAVE to respect Lee's passing.
Well.
They.
Don't.
Can Lee prove them and me wrong this weekend?
Of course. But seeing as though pass defense is UF's strength, my money's on them covering LSU's receivers man to man, giving up the occasional long pass, but holding them out of the end zone on pass plays.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:49 pm to CptBengal
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Face it....there is NO reason to play JJ. You want to run, play shep. You want to pass play JL...you want to lose, play JJ.
face this, no matter who LSU starts, or who gets the most snaps, LSU is likely going to lose this game.
I think the combo of JJ/JL gives LSU a better chance than JL/RS.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I think the combo of JJ/JL gives LSU a better chance than JL/RS.
Now I know you are JJ.
You said:
Passing
JL>JJ>RS
Running
RS>JJ>JL
I don't see JJ leading EITHER of those lists you produced. Why in gods name would you think the running component should be JJ? ALL FAIL ALL THE TIME.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:13 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The problem with this is that defenses don't have to respect the pass much with Lee in.
thats not very smart right there...
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Of course. But seeing as though pass defense is UF's strength, my money's on them covering LSU's receivers man to man
everyone plays man...id like to see them play man to RR and TT...bullshite...we still are going to have to throw the ball..what the hell are you thinking that we are going to run vs a team that held each Ingraham and Richardson under a 100yds...give me a fricking break...we aint running vs florida unless we have a passing threat...
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:19 pm to GA Tiger
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This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:21 pm to TigerFan55555
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what the hell are you thinking that we are going to run vs a team that held each Ingraham and Richardson under a 100yds...give me a fricking break...
here's what I'm thinking:
UF Pass Eff D = 5th
LSU pass Eff = 116th
UF Rush D = 25th
LSU Rush O = 33rd
Which matchup are you going to rely on?
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...we aint running vs florida unless we have a passing threat
LSU hasn't had a passing threat in a long time, yet they lead the league in rushing and have the 15th ranked RB nationally.
How in the world can that possibly be?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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here's what I'm thinking:
tell you what when they put 8 in the box and stop the zone read with JJ in there, your going to figure out that you have to have a balanced offense to win in this league. JJ does not represent a balanced offense...he really doesnt even represent an offense...with lee you can throw and our playmakers can run behind a better oline then last years...
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LSU hasn't had a passing threat in a long time, yet they lead the league in rushing
we have played Vandy and Miss St. of course were going to lead the league in rushing...
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:35 pm to TigerFan55555
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tell you what when they put 8 in the box and stop the zone read with JJ in there, your going to figure out that you have to have a balanced offense to win in this league. JJ does not represent a balanced offense
I agree. But when they put 8 in the box and stop the power running game with JL in there, your going to figure out that you have to have a better offensive line to overcome the inability of JL to have a downfield threat.
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we have played Vandy and Miss St. of course were going to lead the league in rushing...
Those aren't just league stats though.
LSU has played 5 BCS teams, NO CUPCAKES, have played JJ most of the way, have a horrible passing game and STILL lead the league in rushing.
You cant' simply explain that as just having played State and Vandy.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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your going to figure out that you have to have a better offensive line to overcome the inability of JL to have a downfield threat.
JL is FAR more of a downfield threat than JJ. FACT.
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