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re: Swamp People - History Channel
Posted on 8/23/10 at 8:32 am to mylsuhat
Posted on 8/23/10 at 8:32 am to mylsuhat
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I've always heard about this one but idk if its local lore or real
i've seen a picture of it, i believe
it was an old B/W photo, from the early part of the century (pre-WWII based on clothing)
had to be at least 3 men, so 16+
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Posted on 8/23/10 at 9:00 am to Crawdaddy
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My uncle's camp is in the Lake Verret area
Our place is on the Canal road (401) about 1/2 mile before the landing. Lots of good times down there, use to be a great fishery before Andrew.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 9:32 am to Tino
A few alligator facts because I think most people exaggerate alligator sizes.
A 12 foot gator is a monster and is not very common. It takes gators a long time (probably 25-50 years) to get over 12 foot. If you would go to all the alligator buyers in the state, I would guarantee you that there is not many of them caught compared to the other sized gators. Probably less than 10%. I know my uncle (who had the most alligator tags out of anyone in the state at over 300 of them) used to buy 1,000's of gators in Venice, LA where food is abundant for gators (tremendous amount of fish/nutria/food) and he only bought 5-10 a year that were 12 foot or bigger. A lot of people see an alligator and guess 16+ foot but I would be willing to bet they are wrong and they don't know how to accurately guess the size of gators. And gators start getting big and heavy around 10 foot. A 8foot gator might weigh around 50-100lbs, 9 footer around 100-150, 10 foot might weight around 200-300, 11 foot around 300-400, 12 foot around 400-1000lbs. Once they get around 10 foot their growth rate slows way down and they start putting on weight instead and their length growth rate slows way down.
Also females do not get as big as males. The largest a female gets is around 8-10 foot while a male can get up to 14 foot.
A 12 foot gator is a monster and is not very common. It takes gators a long time (probably 25-50 years) to get over 12 foot. If you would go to all the alligator buyers in the state, I would guarantee you that there is not many of them caught compared to the other sized gators. Probably less than 10%. I know my uncle (who had the most alligator tags out of anyone in the state at over 300 of them) used to buy 1,000's of gators in Venice, LA where food is abundant for gators (tremendous amount of fish/nutria/food) and he only bought 5-10 a year that were 12 foot or bigger. A lot of people see an alligator and guess 16+ foot but I would be willing to bet they are wrong and they don't know how to accurately guess the size of gators. And gators start getting big and heavy around 10 foot. A 8foot gator might weigh around 50-100lbs, 9 footer around 100-150, 10 foot might weight around 200-300, 11 foot around 300-400, 12 foot around 400-1000lbs. Once they get around 10 foot their growth rate slows way down and they start putting on weight instead and their length growth rate slows way down.
Also females do not get as big as males. The largest a female gets is around 8-10 foot while a male can get up to 14 foot.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 9:37 am to JasonL79
We fished them out of Gheens on Golden Ranch for 7 years and the biggest we caught was 10'-11". The gators in that area are fished every year and most of what we caught was in the 7-1/2 to 8-1/2 foot range. There are more 4-6' gators out there than you can shake a stick at but not many over 9'.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 10:04 am to bayoudude
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We fished them out of Gheens on Golden Ranch for 7 years and the biggest we caught was 10'-11". The gators in that area are fished every year and most of what we caught was in the 7-1/2 to 8-1/2 foot range. There are more 4-6' gators out there than you can shake a stick at but not many over 9'.
I think this is the case with most places in Louisiana that have been fished for years. The older ones get caught and not many gators slip through to get big. I would say most places average around 6-8 foot. The only places that will have really big gators are usually wma's or nwr's where gators can't be hunted. I know in Venice, the biggest gators were on the Delta NWR where gator hunting has not been allowed for over 60 years and maybe even longer than that. Uncle found one that was washed up on the bank dead that was around 14.5 foot. He guessed he was either hit by a big crew boat or died of old age.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 10:10 am to JasonL79
I think the smaller ones are better eating anyway not to mention the hide is better on the smaller ones. It really is remarkable what they did with the alligator populations in LA. There may be more now than they ever had.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 5:14 pm to bayoudude
Like I was saying earlier there isnt very many big gators left especially in SLA bc of hunting. Texas ans NLA where they are not hunted as hard you see alot more big gators.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 5:26 pm to GREENHEAD22
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i've seen a picture of it, i believe
it was an old B/W photo, from the early part of the century (pre-WWII based on clothing)
had to be at least 3 men, so 16+
Yea I believe it was around the 1920s, a 20ft gator is massive I would love to see that pic, may just have to stop in to the WLF headquaters when im in BR one day.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 5:29 pm to AlxTgr
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This supposed boundary needs to die.
this multiplied by infinity.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 5:39 pm to BT
If you are counting rednecks and coonasses as the same then yea. A coonass from VillePlatt and a coonass from Gueydan are even different. Much less someone from lafayette and say Monroe area.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 7:31 pm to GREENHEAD22
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According to the Everglades National Park website, the largest alligator ever recorded in Florida was 17 feet 5 inches (5.31 m), although according to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site the Florida state record for length is a 14 feet 5/8 inches (4.28 m) male from Lake Monroe in Seminole County.[3] The largest specimen ever recorded was found in Louisiana and measured 19 feet 2 inches (5.84 m)[4].
^ "Louisiana Alligator Advisory Council". LINK .
Posted on 8/25/10 at 11:16 am to tigerfan1974
Most people(95%) that see an alligator in the wild will guess it to be twice as big as they really are. I have hunted gators for most of my life and have seen them from all parts of the state. Gators from the marsh are long and skinny,while gator from the basin are much fatter. I think this is because of the major river systems. A 10 footer from the marsh may weight 200-300 ilbs. where a gator from the basin can be 300-800ilbs. I have personally put my hands on one that went 1200+ ilbs.Females do not get as big as males do, in fact it is very rare to kill one over 7ft. Just watch the show and see the difference in the gators that Juinor and troy kills compared to the others.
I am not going to say that a 16ft gator doesn't exist.But I will be willing to bet that you have never seen one and if you have call me so we can go kill it. Because I have been waiting to see one for a long time. By the way the season opens today.
I am not going to say that a 16ft gator doesn't exist.But I will be willing to bet that you have never seen one and if you have call me so we can go kill it. Because I have been waiting to see one for a long time. By the way the season opens today.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 11:19 am to tdardenne
Is it just me or do all these guys on the show seem a little reckless with a gun. We always waited a minute for the gator to settle down and get its head alongside the boat before pulling the trigger. Also just about put the muzzle on the gator's head instead of aiming from a distance.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 11:49 am to bayoudude
I didn't watch all of the show. But we never antagonize the gator. Slowly pull on the string till he picks his head up above the water. They kept saying they shoot in the back of the head, we shoot in the ear. You used to fish golden ranch, you sell to Fletcher?
Posted on 8/25/10 at 12:03 pm to CootKilla
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You used to fish golden ranch, you sell to Fletcher?
We just dropped them off in a trailer Cenac put for us off of the company canal. We had the lease on Temple Bay that went from Harvey canal II to Benny's duck ponds and included the point. Had 3000 acres leased for hunting and he let us fish the gators for fun. The guy with Froggco had the lease after us for a few years then the camp burned down and Cenac pulled everything out and damned off all entrances. The property is only accessable from his place now.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 12:10 pm to bayoudude
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Is it just me or do all these guys on the show seem a little reckless with a gun. We always waited a minute for the gator to settle down and get its head alongside the boat before pulling the trigger. Also just about put the muzzle on the gator's head instead of aiming from a distance.
We did the same. If you pull the alligator line up slowly, they usually don't go crazy and it's an easy shot. Maybe they were trying to make it more exciting for tv. And if they do go crazy like you said, we let them settle down than try to slowly pull up the line and shoot them.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 12:13 pm to tdardenne
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Most people(95%) that see an alligator in the wild will guess it to be twice as big as they really are. I have hunted gators for most of my life and have seen them from all parts of the state.
I am not going to say that a 16ft gator doesn't exist.But I will be willing to bet that you have never seen one and if you have call me so we can go kill it. Because I have been waiting to see one for a long time. By the way the season opens today.
I agree with all of this.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 12:15 pm to JasonL79
Something tells me they are doing some serious editing. They show them shoot when the gator is rolling like crazy then next second they are flopping a dead gator in the boat. Probably just shooting into the water away from the gator for dramatic effect then shooting the gator like normal off camera. 
Posted on 8/25/10 at 12:19 pm to tdardenne
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Gators from the marsh are long and skinny,while gator from the basin are much fatter. I think this is because of the major river systems. A 10 footer from the marsh may weight 200-300 ilbs. where a gator from the basin can be 300-800ilbs. I have personally put my hands on one that went 1200+ ilbs.
Never heard this before but I have never hunted the basin before. Why would the basin gators be larger? The food in the marshes are abundant too with fish, nutria, etc. I'm not disagreeing, it may very well be the case.
I have seen 12-13 footers that came out of the marsh and weighed around 750-1000lbs. A cousin of mine killed a 13foot 10inch gator around venice and they weighed it on a certified scale and it weighed in around 1000lbs.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 12:21 pm to bayoudude
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Something tells me they are doing some serious editing. They show them shoot when the gator is rolling like crazy then next second they are flopping a dead gator in the boat. Probably just shooting into the water away from the gator for dramatic effect then shooting the gator like normal off camera.
I'm sure you are right. I know another thing we always did was to shoot the gators a few times, especially with the big ones. I would never trust one shot to kill a gator. Usually shoot two-three times behind the skull or in the ear with a .22 long rifle. An extra bullet makes me feel better at least. 
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