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My Take on the Big Ten, PAC 10, TU and the SEC
Posted on 6/15/10 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 6/15/10 at 8:58 pm
Forty-eight hours ago I was delirious with glee believing that TAMU and VT were on their way to the SEC. Yesterday evening came close to being the nadir of my football life.
People are what they are. James Delany is proactive, Larry Scott is proactive, DeLoss Dodds is proactive. Mike Slive is reactive.
This was a battle - not a war - and the Big Ten, PAC 10 and University of Texas are not going to sit around licking their wounds and feeling sorry for themselves. They are going to regroup and eventually charge again, because their leaders are what they are and the SEC "leader" is what he is.
I hope and pray that Mike Slive comes out from under the ether, correctly gauges what is possible and what is not, and then for the first time under his tutelage does something to move the SEC forward rather than imposing gag orders on our coaches.
People are what they are. James Delany is proactive, Larry Scott is proactive, DeLoss Dodds is proactive. Mike Slive is reactive.
This was a battle - not a war - and the Big Ten, PAC 10 and University of Texas are not going to sit around licking their wounds and feeling sorry for themselves. They are going to regroup and eventually charge again, because their leaders are what they are and the SEC "leader" is what he is.
I hope and pray that Mike Slive comes out from under the ether, correctly gauges what is possible and what is not, and then for the first time under his tutelage does something to move the SEC forward rather than imposing gag orders on our coaches.
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Posted on 6/15/10 at 9:04 pm to RhodeIslandRed
You are right it was a battle but the SEC won. Why be forced into expansion when it is not on our schedule and our terms. The SEC came out of this mess better than any other conference.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 9:12 pm to CarrolltonTiger
While I think the SEC did fine, I think the Big 10 came out of this as the big winner. They added a team that fits culturally and geographically to get to 12 teams so that they can host a Big 10 Championship game. This means extra revenue from the Big 10 Network, playing in December and a lot of excitement for its fans. The Big 10 hit a home run.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 9:15 pm to RedHawk
RedHawk,
I completely agree, except for one thing. I don't think the Big Ten hit a home run...I believe they hit a grand slam.
I completely agree, except for one thing. I don't think the Big Ten hit a home run...I believe they hit a grand slam.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 9:16 pm to Muahahaha
Notre Dame would have been a Grand Slam. Nebraska is a homerun.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 10:00 pm to CarrolltonTiger
quote:
Why be forced into expansion when it is not on our schedule and our terms.
That is exactly what I am talking about.
Three of the five major football conferences in America were blowing and going and the best the SEC could do is stim the tide. No pun intended.
WE should be the conference expanding to 16 teams. That was the original plan of the BCS and like it or not that is what it will eventually all boil down to - four 16-team super conferences.
The defensive posture of the SEC in this entire debacle is embarrassing to me. And it should be embarrassing to you too.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 10:04 pm to RhodeIslandRed
quote:
Mike Slive is reactive.
quote:It's hard to believe anyone feels this way. I think Slive has done great work for the SEC. And to say he's reactive is a bit misleading. Right now we are number 1. He has been beating the bushes with other teams for several months now about possible conference expansion plans. There is absolutely no reason to make the first move if you are the SEC in this situation.
I hope and pray that Mike Slive comes out from under the ether, correctly gauges what is possible and what is not, and then for the first time under his tutelage does something to move the SEC forward rather than imposing gag orders on our coaches.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 10:06 pm to RhodeIslandRed
quote:As you can probably tell I totally disagree. It is not in our interest to expand to 16 teams unless there is a major upheaval. We would have no problem finding quality teams should there be some major shake-up.
WE should be the conference expanding to 16 teams. That was the original plan of the BCS and like it or not that is what it will eventually all boil down to - four 16-team super conferences.
The defensive posture of the SEC in this entire debacle is embarrassing to me. And it should be embarrassing to you too.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 10:56 pm to CarrolltonTiger
quote:
You are right it was a battle but the SEC won. Why be forced into expansion when it is not on our schedule and our terms. The SEC came out of this mess better than any other conference.
By doing nothing they "came out better than any other conference". Wow.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 11:05 pm to SprintFun
sec is probably still #1 for the foreseeable future but anyone who doesn't recognize how well the Big 10 did is missing something obvious
Posted on 6/15/10 at 11:39 pm to SprintFun
quote:
By doing nothing they "came out better than any other conference". Wow.
"Doing nothing?" They were able to stop the Pac Ten's widely-trumpeted expansion plans, which were seen as inevitable, by simply letting the Aggies know that they'd be welcome in the SEC if they wanted to join.
That's pretty impressive considering all of Texas' blustering to that point that the conference was dead if Nebraska jumped to the Big Ten.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 11:59 pm to teke184
quote:
They were able to stop the Pac Ten's widely-trumpeted expansion plans
This is true. Also, it has been stated by Liucci that Slive had been talking to A&M way before the missile crisis.
Notice how everyone knew exactly where Scott was but had no clue where Slive was until he popped up on A&M's campus. That dude is a ninja and very smart. He knew what was coming and had a plan.
Yes, the Big 10 expanded and got some bonus points money wise, but as a conference, the SEC is still going to be stronger and much more dominant on the field.
A&M is still our ace in the hole when expansion resumes. That's our home run.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 12:06 am to sehbembuhnanananaAH
quote:
A&M is still our ace in the hole when expansion resumes. That's our home run.
Please keep that thought. Now that the dust is starting to settle a bit, it appears obvious to some that the newly constituted b12 is still on life support (and I can't wait for the doctor to make the pronouncement).
I can only hope the end comes sooner than later.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:25 am to MaroonDontRun
I respectfully disagree. Slive and the SEC did just fine and Texas is the one looking like an a-hole. This was a high stakes game of poker and I feel Slive let the other teams/conferences show their hands first and he handled things just fine without letting the whole country know our business. It's not like every other conference needs to know our thoughts, plans and strategy should we want to truly expand one day. I also love how Slive strolled in and kicked A&M's tires and kept Texas from not doing what it wanted to originally do all along. The SEC mucked it up and punked Texas and the Pac 10 and I think it's funny. Nebraska is in a conference that fits their culture and region better and the same can be said for Colorado because they have always seemed like a west coast team to me so good for them both for finding the right fit. I'm not sold that there will be four 16 team conferences just yet so I like playing things close to the vest and keep our talks with other teams out of the media for now. It would not surprise me one bit to see Texas A&M in the SEC one day because I don't think Texas will make true on the money they promised. I think the Big 12 is a sinking ship and time is on the SEC's side.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 2:03 am to Earthquake 88
The thing that is the most interesting here to me is this group that came forward to save the Big-12. This group apparently was able to come up with an extra $30M-$50M per year to sweeten up the contract the Big-12 is going to get. That was completely unexpected, and so little is known about who that was that it seems nearly impossible to predict what they will do in the future. I'm sure Delaney has spent most of the day thinking about this. One thing is for sure though... If they could step in and throw a giant monkey wrench into the proceedings at this level there's some serious power behind it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a sudden push for a playoff in the near future...
I wouldn't be surprised to see a sudden push for a playoff in the near future...
Posted on 6/16/10 at 2:21 am to DocBugbear
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I wouldn't be surprised to see a sudden push for a playoff in the near future...
I totally agree and that is why I think it's in the best interest for the SEC to sit back and play it close to the vest on expansion. Why add 4 more teams and have to share revenue, beat each other up more than normal in an even more brutal conference when playoffs might just be around the corner. I think college football is headed for a playoff and I don't think four 16 team conferences will be needed.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 11:03 am to RedHawk
quote:In regards to money, yes. In regards to quality football....heeellll no.
Notre Dame would have been a Grand Slam. Nebraska is a homerun.
ND is an old decrepit institution only held up by corrupt dealings in which priests and altar boys are blowing NBC and the BCS. And the girls are fugly. At least with Nebraska there are some good looking ladies to go along with good football. You wouldn't get either with ND
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