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re: Texas Tech has an ally in this thing??
Posted on 6/15/10 at 1:51 pm to 225rumpshaker
Posted on 6/15/10 at 1:51 pm to 225rumpshaker
What is the worst case scenario for TT if they continue to refuse to sign it?
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Posted on 6/15/10 at 1:54 pm to tuck
There really isn't one...
The Big XII needs them to live.
A 9-team conference isn't viable and not worth the money. (whether or not the money really exists)
Whether or not TTU has an offer on the table, they are playing this beautifully.
The Big XII needs them to live.
A 9-team conference isn't viable and not worth the money. (whether or not the money really exists)
Whether or not TTU has an offer on the table, they are playing this beautifully.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 1:55 pm to tuck
Find a new conference to play in if they do not have an offer on the table already.
More than likely worst case would be going to the Mountain West for them.
More than likely worst case would be going to the Mountain West for them.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 1:58 pm to 225rumpshaker
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More than likely worst case would be going to the Mountain West for them
If they go to the MWC, would that really be worst case?
The Big XII would fall apart. Meaning OSU, KU, and Mizzou up for grabs.
If the Pac-10 offers OSU again, they would go there in a heart beat, but if they don't, they would go to the MWC.
MWC would now have Boise, TTU, OSU, and probably KU or Mizzou.
Looks like a BSC conference to me, and a way to renegotiate for more money in their TV contract.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:00 pm to sehbembuhnanananaAH
The TTU BOR are getting ready to discuss:
LINK
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Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:00 pm to sehbembuhnanananaAH
quote:Yes I am saying at worst they would go to the MWC. Not meaning that as a slant on the conference by any means.
If they go to the MWC, would that really be worst case?
Now a team like Baylor has a truly worst case. They would drop all the way to conference USA level from a BCS conference.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:01 pm to tuck
I hope I'm wrong (because I've really enjoyed all this drama), but IMO I don't believe the "new" Big12 collapses if Texas Tech decides to go elsewhere.
I don't think it really changes a whole lot for the Big12. Actually, the payout to the 9 remaining schools would get bigger.
Now can Texas Tech do better elsewhere? That's a whole different question, and quite possibly the answer is yes. But, nonetheless, I don't think Tech leaving changes anything with the reworked Big12.
I don't think it really changes a whole lot for the Big12. Actually, the payout to the 9 remaining schools would get bigger.
Now can Texas Tech do better elsewhere? That's a whole different question, and quite possibly the answer is yes. But, nonetheless, I don't think Tech leaving changes anything with the reworked Big12.
This post was edited on 6/15/10 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:02 pm to JPLSU1981
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I don't believe the "new" Big12 collapses if Texas Tech decides to go elsewhere.
Who do you believe replaces them?
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:02 pm to sehbembuhnanananaAH
Correct me if i'm wrong....this is just another example of Texas telling the others what to do and what they will get, when in fact, they wont get it. Basically, Texas was telling the rest what they will get money wise when they dont have any control over will happen. They lied, once again, just yesterday...
Texas trying to be something that they are NOT....once again....
This just gets better and better....Texas looking like the bafoon that they are.
It would be best for all involved to get away from Texas as fast as they can, and dont look in the rear view mirror.
Texas trying to be something that they are NOT....once again....
This just gets better and better....Texas looking like the bafoon that they are.
It would be best for all involved to get away from Texas as fast as they can, and dont look in the rear view mirror.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:04 pm to JPLSU1981
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I don't think it really changes a whole lot for the Big12.
I don't know about you, but a 9-team conference doesn't work in the BCS.
Sure, the Big XII could bring in another school, but I guarantee that if this TV deal is real, it wouldn't be worth as much.
Again, this would also give Texas and A&M the bad guy they had been wanting. They could then leave and do what they wanted and say it is TTU's fault.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:05 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:What payout?? Bebee has said today they have no new TV contracts signed or even agreed to at this point. Only projections they (big 12 office) have done on what COULD be.
Actually, the payout to the 9 remaining schools would get bigger.
If this conference drops to only 9 teams that would be like someone giving the big east a huge tv deal
This post was edited on 6/15/10 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:05 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Who do you believe replaces them?
I don't think a replacement would even be necessary. All contracts would stay the same, just all nine teams would end up getting a bigger cut. Now, the question of if there is actually a contract to begin with is a completely seperate issue. But assuming there is some contract in place, I don't think Tech by itself leaving would affect it.
Losing Texas Tech doesn't make ESPN/Fox (or whatever TV network) desire the conference less. As long as Texas and Texas A&M and Oklahoma are in the conference, you've got the TV market. Losing tech does nothing to change that.
All that said, WTF do I know. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I don't think Tech makes a whole lot of difference. No offense to the Red Raiders, but does anyone look at Tech as a major player? I sure don't.
This post was edited on 6/15/10 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:08 pm to JPLSU1981
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As long as Texas and Texas A&M and Oklahoma are in the conference, you've got the TV market.
You're looking at the TV market though, not the BCS.
The BCS is playing a big role in this.
9-team conference =/= BCS conference anymore
I don't see how the BCS would like that.
So this means they would have to bring in someone else, lower the value of their conference and spread the "money", trigger another missile crisis
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:09 pm to JPLSU1981
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I don't think it really changes a whole lot for the Big12. Actually, the payout to the 9 remaining schools would get bigger.
With the way Beebe is running things, Tech's entire cut would be allocated to Texas, OU, and A&M while the rest of the conference gets screwed.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:10 pm to 225rumpshaker
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I'm told OSU AD Mike Holder having a presser today at 2 and that he could have some interesting stuff to say. Wonder if it's about buyout $?
what's the word on teh buyout?
I heard something on the radio indicating there might be a nasty new penalty for schools that left teh new Big 12 - but obviously details were lacking
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:11 pm to teke184
quote:Those schools boards have now started calling this Beebe math.
With the way Beebe is running things, Tech's entire cut would be allocated to Texas, OU, and A&M
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:13 pm to molsusports
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what's the word on teh buyout?
The schools are locked into the conference if they sign this deal. They would be stuck for anywhere from 4-8 years.
The buyout OSU is talking about it the money from CU and Neb. The other five schools agreed to give it to OU, UT, and A&M. This makes OSU and TTU very angry.
Cue Hulk Smash audio.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:15 pm to sehbembuhnanananaAH
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You're looking at the TV market though, not the BCS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there is any requirement to have 10 teams in your conference in order to have an automatic BCS bid.
These are the only factors looked at in determining which conferences get an automatic BCS bid:
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Standards For Future BCS Automatic Qualification
The champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern Conferences will have annual automatic qualification for a BCS game through the 2013 regular season, based on mathematical standards of performance during the 2004-2007 regular seasons.
The 2008-2011 regular seasons will be evaluated under the same standards to determine if other conferences will have annual automatic qualification for the games after the 2012 and 2013 regular seasons. The champions of no more than seven conferences will have annual automatic berths.
If the BCS continues under the same or similar format, conferences will be evaluated on their performances during the 2010-2013 regular seasons to determine which conferences will have automatic qualification for the bowls that will conclude the 2014-2017 regular seasons.
The evaluation data includes the following for each conference (1) the ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings each year, (2) the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year and (3) the number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS standings each year.
Conference agreements with bowls will continue. The Pac-10 and Big Ten champions will host the Rose Bowl if their teams are not in the BCS national championship game. Likewise, the Southeastern Conference champion will host the Sugar Bowl, ACC champion will host the Orange Bowl and Big 12 champion will host the Fiesta Bowl.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:15 pm to sehbembuhnanananaAH
There is a Oklahoma State and Tech update on the Texas Tech rivals message board if anyone has access.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 2:24 pm to JPLSU1981
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The champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern Conferences will have annual automatic qualification for a BCS game through the 2013 regular season, based on mathematical standards of performance during the 2004-2007 regular seasons
This means when 2013 hits and the 9-team Big XII comes round to getting evaluated, the BCS will be critical. If only 3 of the 6 teams that they play are ever ranked regularly, which is about right, with TTU and A&M switching to be ranked, that doesn't look good. Plus, those 5 gimme schools don't help. There won't be a championship game either.
Things don't look good for that BCS auto bid if TTU leaves and the Big XII survives.
I know you are playing the devils advocate, but looking at the potential schedules and teams left, it doesn't look good for them to retain their BCS bid.
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