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re: QB Play: NOT the Major Problem w/the Offense (statistical support)
Posted on 4/20/10 at 8:45 pm to Doc Fenton
Posted on 4/20/10 at 8:45 pm to Doc Fenton
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First, you've conveniently taken out all statistics relating to total offensive production.
I'm assuming these are already well known.
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Second, you cite defensive statistics without considering SOS.
What relevance does a subjective S.O.S. ranking have to do with statistical on field performance?
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Third, you make no mention of the injuries to LSU's 3 most hyped players for 2007: Will Arnold, Early Doucet, and Flynn himself.
Okay..
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Fourth, you act as if Flynn was just some lucky beneficiary of a better running game
I can give you that a QB has the responsibility of checking into better plays and yatta yatta...but the fact is, no QB is going to turn a 3,000 yd. rushing attack into a 1,500 yard rushing attack.
The failure of the run game had a lot more to do than a "QB operating" it.
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I mean, obviously, JJ in 2009 wasn't operating anywhere near Flynn's level in 2007.
Which is entirely your subjective opinion supported by zero statistical data. All of the stats provided prove that JJ "operates" as well as Flynn. And your only argument will be, "well it's obvious cause Flynn is just better at operating."
He gets more yard per attempt, he completes at a higher rate, he turns it over at a lesser rate.
The glaring difference between the 2007 offense and 2009 offense is the rushing attack, which is exactly what the analysis set out to prove.
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Posted on 4/20/10 at 8:48 pm to OBUDan
Dan your argument was well researched and well articulated. Sometimes people just aren't ready for reason.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 8:49 pm to OBUDan
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The failure of the run game had a lot more to do than a "QB operating" it.
Do you have any idea how different Flynn's contribution to the running game was than Jefferson's? You're comparing apples to oranges here.
If you don't buy my analysis of things, then fine. But I'm not the one trying to "prove" such things with deceptive stats. I'm just telling you what I saw on the field, and what I saw was this: with the sole exception of Charles Scott at RB, every single position on the offense looked poorly coached last year, including Jefferson at QB.
He's not anywhere near as polished as Flynn was in 2007, and I think your attempts to show otherwise with this statistical analysis of yours is silly.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:15 pm to OBUDan
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but the fact is, no QB is going to turn a 3,000 yd. rushing attack into a 1,500 yard rushing attack.
What was the difference between 08 and 09.
We had the same running backs and many of the same in the OL
Posted on 4/21/10 at 12:24 pm to OBUDan
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The glaring difference between the 2007 offense and 2009 offense is the rushing attack, which is exactly what the analysis set out to prove.
You went into this analysis with an agenda. And you picked stats that supported what you already believed. You left out the sacks data which showed JJ got sacked at twice the rate of Flynn and was one of JJ's major problems.
Also we had so many fewer plays in 2009. If you were really trying to figure out what was wrong with the offense instead of "proving" what you already thought maybe you should check the data on percentage of drives that were less than 3-5 plays. And I agree with the guy who said this comparison was silly. They are interesting numbers but they dont scratch the surface of all the factors. What was the average gain on plays where the qb checked into a different play. How did the opposing d-coordinator play 3rd and shorts. They respected Flynn's ability to pass, did they respect JJ. You cannot know these things. And stats can be manipulated.
QB A faces 3rd and 9 three times. He throws passes of 10,11, and 12 yards and completes the 11 yarder.
QB B faces 3rd and 9 three times. He throws passes of 6,7, and eight yards and completes all three.
QB A 33% completion percentage, 11 yards, 3.8 yards per attempt
QB B 100% completion percentage, 21 yards, 7 yards per attempt.
QB B wins the statistics in the box score but sucks as a QB.
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