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re: Are Everson Griffen or Carlos Dunlap better than Ray Edwards?
Posted on 3/7/10 at 10:44 am to LSUpsychWARD
Posted on 3/7/10 at 10:44 am to LSUpsychWARD
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His contract would be comparable to a LE picked in the middle of the first round.
How do you know this?
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Posted on 3/7/10 at 10:50 am to TigerinATL
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Where the frick were you a few years ago when we gave all that money to Grant? Loomis could have used this little piece of informaton.
I can laugh about it now because he's gone
The move was fricking stupid. Teams put their best run blockers on the right side of their line which means your left end has to be able to anchor in run support. Well apparently we thought Grant was a fricking master at run support as well as a premier pass rusher and we paid frickin ridiculous money for a DTackle basically.
Ray Edwards is a former pass rushing specialist who has been producing very good, but not extraordinary numbers. Which is exactly what Justin Tuck had done when he signed his not so lucrative deal. Mathis is probably the highest paid player of their kind, simply because he has produced crazy numbers.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 11:11 am to LSUpsychWARD
so u think Ray Edwards would be cheaper than what u pay the 32nd pick in the 1st round?
Posted on 3/7/10 at 11:24 am to Lester Earl
Ayers was the last defensive end/olb taken in the first round.. but he went 18th overall I think and signed a five-year contract with $9.7 million guaranteed. I think he only accounted for $1.3 million this past season.
This post was edited on 3/7/10 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/7/10 at 11:41 am to beauchristopher
the bears couldnt pull the trigger because they have no picks this year or next year in the first round
Posted on 3/7/10 at 11:46 am to Lester Earl
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so u think Ray Edwards would be cheaper than what u pay the 32nd pick in the 1st round?
No its comparable to about middle of the first round money. I was simply trying to explain how cheap it could be to pay a proven guy than blow about half as much on someone who may never play a down. Aaron Maybin has looked like a bust so far in Buffalo and his deal was right on par with Tuck's. Now imagine having to wait until the END of the first round to pick up a DE. The value just isn't there.
I hear Robert Ayers fricking sucks too. Maybe its just because he is in a 3-4, but my brother is obsessed with the Broncos and everytime we talk about football he bitches about Ayers and how Dumervil is a better pass rusher than every LB on Denver's roster....combined
This post was edited on 3/7/10 at 11:52 am
Posted on 3/7/10 at 11:48 am to BaileyTiger
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the bears couldnt pull the trigger because they have no picks this year or next year in the first round
Good point.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 1:01 pm to adono
I wouldnt mind this. But i hope we can make a trade before draft day, and move either or 3rd or 4th for a solid D lineman or LB. Teams have been getting some good value for their picks. When i found out that Boldin got traded, i figured it would be atleast a 1st rounder. i was flabergasted when it was only a 3rd and a 4th round picks. Same with Kerry Rhodes. He is a solid safety. didnt he go to the probowl? cardinals only gave up a 4th this year for him!!!Both ravens and Cardinals got outstanding value from their mid to low picks. hopefully we can make a trade like this.
Some guys i wish we could go after(not saying i think we will, just hoping and think they would be great values)
-Tamba Hali De/Kansas City, still pretty young. U know he has talent because he was a first round pick. Had the same number of sacks as Ray Edwards on the Kansas City D line!
-Osi Umenyiora De/New York, i think we all know who this guy is and what he can do
-Randy Starks Dt/Miami, 56 tackles at DT and 7 sacks another pretty young guy
-Kameron Wimbley Lb/Cleveland, i think he could be converted into a really good D end. if we could get him for a 3rd i wouldnt mind taking a chance on him
Some guys i wish we could go after(not saying i think we will, just hoping and think they would be great values)
-Tamba Hali De/Kansas City, still pretty young. U know he has talent because he was a first round pick. Had the same number of sacks as Ray Edwards on the Kansas City D line!
-Osi Umenyiora De/New York, i think we all know who this guy is and what he can do
-Randy Starks Dt/Miami, 56 tackles at DT and 7 sacks another pretty young guy
-Kameron Wimbley Lb/Cleveland, i think he could be converted into a really good D end. if we could get him for a 3rd i wouldnt mind taking a chance on him
Posted on 3/7/10 at 1:28 pm to BaileyTiger
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When i found out that Boldin got traded, i figured it would be atleast a 1st rounder. i was flabergasted when it was only a 3rd and a 4th round picks. Same with Kerry Rhodes. He is a solid safety. didnt he go to the probowl? cardinals only gave up a 4th this year for him!!!Both ravens and Cardinals got outstanding value from their mid to low picks. hopefully we can make a trade like this.
It is understandable that Boldin wouldn't require high draft picks because he carried such a high price already, that the Cardinals had to get something, and they have a lot of young talent waiting in the wings. It was a good deal for both sides.
Rhodes publicly aired his feelings towards his playing time and the way he was being used last year. From what I saw, Rhodes was great, but obviously there is something about his game that Rex Ryan didn't care for. He fits the Pittsburgh scheme perfectly, which Whisenhunt just copied, because of his size and ability to get to the QB. I think he is going to be a stud in ARI, and he'll have the freedom to make plays with Adrian Wilson by his side.
As far as the other guys, for the Saints to make a move, I don't think you can depend on someone that you would have to convert. Edwards would be playing his natural position and he would be cheaper than a guy like Osi because he is so young and hasn't produced the numbers Osi has. Ray would be a much better value.
Wimbley and Starks both produced in their 3-4 schemes and probably will make more money in that scheme.
I honestly don't know enough about Hali to tell you whether he would be a good fit with our defense. Although I have never heard that he is known for being strong in run support and that is just as important as a 4-3 LE, especially when Gregg Williams switches to a 3-4 front periodically, which is why Hargrove saw so much time(he was our most versatile Dlineman).
This post was edited on 3/7/10 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/7/10 at 1:36 pm to LSUpsychWARD
all good points. i was just throwing names out there. i forgot that Miami played 3-4, but if we switch to the 3-4 periodically i would think he would be a good fit. I just hope we make atleast one good move, but if we dont its no big deal. we have drafted well since payton got here.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 1:53 pm to LSUpsychWARD
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No its comparable to about middle of the first round money.
Larry English, DE drafted 16th last year by SD, got a 5 year, $13.5m contract. Edwards will cost at least $6m a year. When details on Kampman's deal comes out, I think he's going to be in that $6m a year range. Edwards will get at LEAST that much.
I like the idea, but Edwards had 3 hosses next to him and he only had 10 sacks in his previous 26 starts.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 2:00 pm to BaileyTiger
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all good points. i was just throwing names out there. i forgot that Miami played 3-4, but if we switch to the 3-4 periodically i would think he would be a good fit. I just hope we make atleast one good move, but if we dont its no big deal. we have drafted well since payton got here.
Exactly, its hard to be critical of their decisions when the only two guys they have drafted that fans called busts, turned out to be crucial parts of our Super Bowl run.
But remember the commentator during the playoffs that quoted Williams as saying that we don't have the talent on our roster to be a great front 7? That leads me to believe that they could make this deal, although I haven't seen anyone else even mention the possibility, so I'm sure they will just try to draft the upgrades. But are we in any kind of position to draft guys that will upgrade our team? Personally, I think moving Jenkins to FS now, would allow us to move on with or without Sharper and focus on obtaining an impact player our front 7 could really benefit from. Other than Vilma, Smith, and Ellis we have none. Although, as much as people like to consider Jenkins a shoe-in at FS, there is no telling how he is going to perform if he actually gets moved there.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 2:14 pm to Jiggles
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Edwards will cost at least $6m a year. When details on Kampman's deal comes out, I think he's going to be in that $6m a year range. Edwards will get at LEAST that much.
I like the idea, but Edwards had 3 hosses next to him and he only had 10 sacks in his previous 26 starts.
Kampmann is going to the Jaguars as their primary pass rusher at RE like Will Smith, Dwight Freeney, John Abraham, etc... Kampmann was also considered one of the best in the league until last year's shitty situation for him. But what you have to understand is you don't have to get a bunch of sacks to be an impact player. Edwards has graded out as one of the top impact DE's since he came into the league. He had 3 sacks, 5 QB hits, and 6 Qb pressures in limited duty his rookie season, then had 5 sacks 13 QB hits and 29 QB pressures last year while seeing much more action. Then this year he jumped to 9 Sacks 22 QB hits and 35 QB pressures. I do agree with you, though, that it helps when you are part of the best front four in the NFL, but could you imagine what Edwards, Hargrove, Ellis, and Smith would look like as opposed to Mccray or one of the draft picks being the starter? Or God forbid, Charleston...
Posted on 3/7/10 at 4:41 pm to kclsufan
if we give up our pick ill take dumervile over edwards anyday
Posted on 3/7/10 at 6:24 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
i would pick dumerville, but denver runs a 3-4 and dumerville is a 1st and 3rd round tender. a little to much in my opinion.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 6:28 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
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if we give up our pick ill take dumervile over edwards anyday
The difference is....Dumerville IS Denver's pass rush. The Vikings have entirely too much money invested in their Dline that they would never be able to match our offer. If they did, they would be so strapped for cash when the cap comes back that they would have fricked themselves....in the arse
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:58 pm to LSUpsychWARD
Minny Pioneer Press:
It won't be surprising if the Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints or the Philadelphia Eagles make an offer to Vikings pass rusher Ray Edwards, a restricted free agent.
The Vikings have tendered Edwards at a relatively low $2.512 million. The Vikings would have seven days to match offers by other teams, or would accept the signing team's first-round draft pick this year.
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It won't be surprising if the Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints or the Philadelphia Eagles make an offer to Vikings pass rusher Ray Edwards, a restricted free agent.
The Vikings have tendered Edwards at a relatively low $2.512 million. The Vikings would have seven days to match offers by other teams, or would accept the signing team's first-round draft pick this year.
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Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:44 am to blueslover
This thread is pointless.
Everybody knows we're singing Brandon Marshall at DE. Because he's a BEAST.
Everybody knows we're singing Brandon Marshall at DE. Because he's a BEAST.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 7:10 am to LSUpsychWARD
I think this would be the year for a team to draft DL late in the first round. I can't remember the last time I've seen DL as deep as this one. I don't think there would have been any mention of Griffen or Dunlap being borderline first rounders if they were in previous drafts. They would easily be considered top 20 picks in most draft classes. I am very interested to see who would fall to #32. I feel bad for teams picking late and are in need of offensive players.
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