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re: LSU Strength and Conditioning Program...Is it doing the job?
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:32 pm to bengaltygers
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:32 pm to bengaltygers
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Ok good, at least Coach Moffitt has YOUR approval. We can all learn a thing or two from you. After all, no one knows the right pace at which to add weight to a workout like you.
Well Im glad he has YOUR approval also, smartass comments make you even more credible.
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:33 pm to bengaltygers
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What you guys need to understand is that there is a WORLD of difference between a strength and conditioning program designed to make championship football teams and combine training. Moffitt and his staff are the BEST IN THE COUNTRY at making championship programs. They are not in the business of training kids for the combine. I appreciate the hell out of Moffitt not selling out his program to become one of those combine junkies who just want to add 40 times and bench reps to HIS resume. He is in the toughness business. If you are trying to evaluate the success of a strength program the day after the combine, you are living on another planet.
This is absolutely the truth!! Unfortunately there are still several idiots who will still blame him for poor combine numbers.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:34 pm to OTIS2
quote:Knowledge is not a prerequisite for having an opinion on the Rant.
I don't know enough to have a valid opinion. Anyone have thoughts to share?
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:36 pm to berryNation
AMEN!
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:38 pm to OTIS2
We've won 99 games since over the past 10 seasons. I don't think we could do that if we're not doing something right in the offseason.
Moffitt or his program may not be perfect, but his program is pretty solid. For some reason, and I think one notorious poster has fueled this trend, but some folk think combine results is the primary tool to measure our S&C program. And I think those people who have been caught up in that mindset are awfully misquided.
Moffitt or his program may not be perfect, but his program is pretty solid. For some reason, and I think one notorious poster has fueled this trend, but some folk think combine results is the primary tool to measure our S&C program. And I think those people who have been caught up in that mindset are awfully misquided.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:38 pm to TigerFan55555
AMEN!
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:28 pm to Rocket
AGREE!
Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:59 pm to guttata
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Same head coach and o-cood won a NC. Why does everyone say it's the coaches and not the players showing up?
unacceptable to rantards...if they can't use the tard phrase "not being coached up" at least once a day...they (the tards) will turn to stone.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 6:02 pm to OTIS2
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Our players not being in shape HAS NOT BEEN THE PROBLEM.
Seriously? There were plenty of starters who were gassed and cramping half way though the season this year. That's unacceptable.
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moffit has consistently worked on explosion techniques like power cleans, snatches, lifts like that.
I know, I have some friends on the team and did the workout from summer 08 this last summer. It is a very good, progressive, and explosive strength building program. It's not a bodybuilding or power lifting program; it's a football program. But there have been plenty of cases in the last two years where our talent coming in was as good as the other teams and we got destroyed both on the line and basically beaten up and down the field(Bama this year).
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if you notice around, LSU doesnt have as many injuries as most other universitys that work heavily on gaining bulk and heavy lifting...
Once again, Bama physically beat us this year. The game was the 10th week of the season and we had people cramp up, sprain ankles, break bones, everything. It's not because Bama's talent over the last 4 recruiting years was better than ours.
Recruiting Ranking(per rivals)
Year Alabama Lsu
2005 18 22
2006 11 7
2007 10 4
2008 1 11
Avg. 10 11
There wasn't a difference in talent or physical ability coming into these programs, but our team, after most starters had at least 2 years to condition and develop, were beaten senseless by Bama players. You can't argue that we were as physical as they were. We lost the game because of they imposed their will on each and every one of our players.
That being said, I still think most of the problems with the conditioning of the team are personal, and not related to Moffit directly. A lot of the LSU players I know are lazy and really don't work hard athletically, even compared to when they were in high school.
End rant, back to studying.
This post was edited on 3/3/10 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 3/3/10 at 6:51 pm to LSUtiger17
The lack of mental toughness with examples of bama imposing their will on us etc are by products of poor recruiting IMO. For the past few years we have let rivals tell us who the football players were instead of evaluating talent on a much deeper level like saban did. You have backed up your claim of having better recruiting classes than them with ratings from rivals. That is the equivalent of an NFL team deciding who to draft based solely on combine numbers. There is no drill to measure heart and toughness or competitive nature or work ethic. So, my claim is that bama obviously had better recruiting classes than us the past few years, despite what rivals said. Same as my belief the moffitt has a great offseason program, despite how many reps our players do at the combine.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 7:06 pm to bengaltygers
I agree that a lot of the players have horrible mental toughness. If you're talking about getting abused by Bama because of poor mental toughness during pre-season workouts then I will agree with you. If you're saying that we got abused because of poor mental toughness during the game then I disagree. Anyone with half a heart can want it just as much as the next guy during a big game. Everyone wants it then, the difference is that some people want it all the time(every route in practice, listening, being coachable, not going out Wednesday night, etc.).
Obviously rivals isn't perfect or every 5 star would be taken in the 1st two rounds. I'm just saying that over the past 2 years, our athleticism as a team has deteriorated. I think a lot of the problem is personal with the players and not a problem with the program. However, these coaches, all of them, not just Moffitt, should be held responsible. If they get who they want, which they do, they should be able to make them perform up to their potential. They haven't been doing this. It's their job to prepare the players and that isn't being done. So even though I agree the actual lifting program is probably all right, the blame still eventually gets back to moffitt for not having his players inspired in the weight room, on the track, during plyo, and all of the other drills. A lot of this should also go on Miles for not controlling his players better.
Obviously rivals isn't perfect or every 5 star would be taken in the 1st two rounds. I'm just saying that over the past 2 years, our athleticism as a team has deteriorated. I think a lot of the problem is personal with the players and not a problem with the program. However, these coaches, all of them, not just Moffitt, should be held responsible. If they get who they want, which they do, they should be able to make them perform up to their potential. They haven't been doing this. It's their job to prepare the players and that isn't being done. So even though I agree the actual lifting program is probably all right, the blame still eventually gets back to moffitt for not having his players inspired in the weight room, on the track, during plyo, and all of the other drills. A lot of this should also go on Miles for not controlling his players better.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 7:24 pm to LSUtiger17
I agree with some of that. However, if it was as simple as moffitt having to "inspire" them more in the offseason, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. The reason saban seems to be able to "inspire" his players, no matter where he is, is because he recruits those traits! Why could moffitt inspire the kids saban brought into his weightroom, but he can't seem to inspire miles kids? Did he forget how?
Posted on 3/3/10 at 7:47 pm to bengaltygers
Moffit is as good as they come fellas. If I had ONE complaint it would be (from what I've heard) that he doesn't breakup the training specifics for skill players versus others. Personally I'd like to see RBs and WRs do some more position-specific speed workouts like they do at Florida. It seems to be a trend that our RBs bulk up a little too much during their careers and lose some explosion.
That's really the only complaint I have. Our guys are as fit if not moreso than any team in the nation. Every NFL scout in across the nation will tell you that physically we have arguably the best looking team every single year; that's a kudos to Mofitt and staff.
That's really the only complaint I have. Our guys are as fit if not moreso than any team in the nation. Every NFL scout in across the nation will tell you that physically we have arguably the best looking team every single year; that's a kudos to Mofitt and staff.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 7:47 pm to bengaltygers
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However, if it was as simple as moffitt having to "inspire" them more in the offseason, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Yeah that's the part that goes on Miles.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 7:59 pm to OTIS2
it's odd...they seem to overwork some players and make them slower, and underwork some who end up weaklings. At least according to the rant
Posted on 3/3/10 at 8:22 pm to LSUtiger17
Average LSU recruiting class ranking (2002-2009) according to Rivals (Note: This does not take into account players who transferred, quit, got kicked off, etc.): 8.0
Average LSU final ranking (2002-2009) according to the Coaches' Poll (this is assuming LSU finished #26 in years that they were not ranked, which is obviously not necessarily true but I don't feel like looking up actual votes): 11.9
Average LSU final ranking (2002-2009) according to the AP Poll (assuming LSU was #26 when not ranked): 12.1
These numbers give some idea about what kind of players LSU had coming in and how LSU finished over this period. Of course, players signed in 2009 have only played one year at most in the 2009, and players from earlier recruiting classes are included in the final ranking for 2002, etc. so take it for what it's worth.
The numbers are skewed to be a little low for Coaches' and AP poll final ranking because I automatically put LSU at 26 if they weren't ranked at the end of the year.
Average LSU final ranking (2002-2009) according to the Coaches' Poll (this is assuming LSU finished #26 in years that they were not ranked, which is obviously not necessarily true but I don't feel like looking up actual votes): 11.9
Average LSU final ranking (2002-2009) according to the AP Poll (assuming LSU was #26 when not ranked): 12.1
These numbers give some idea about what kind of players LSU had coming in and how LSU finished over this period. Of course, players signed in 2009 have only played one year at most in the 2009, and players from earlier recruiting classes are included in the final ranking for 2002, etc. so take it for what it's worth.
The numbers are skewed to be a little low for Coaches' and AP poll final ranking because I automatically put LSU at 26 if they weren't ranked at the end of the year.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 9:41 pm to ThePlumber
Yeah but we weren't talking about overall team performance over the last 7 years. I just brought those numbers up to compare the physicality of alabama to lsu's this past season. Over the last 4 recruiting seasons the average recruiting rankings were basically the same. Just saying that somehow, alabama gets the same sort of talent, according to rivals, that we do. Give both teams 2-4 years to develop their recruits(strength, speed, agility, skill) and they come out and their players are moving ours all over the field. LSU looked like a JV team compared to bama as far as physicality goes.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 9:43 pm to TigahRag
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basically the same guy's been running for 10 years or so .. right ?? in that time, there have been 2 national championships, 3 SEC championships .. 4 BCS bowl game appearances, etc. .. my guess is that it is working ..
sorry Rag, I'm drunk and I think that's a bullshite philosophyism
Posted on 3/3/10 at 9:44 pm to OTIS2
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I don't know enough to have a valid opinion. Anyone have thoughts to share?
4 words,
The Cream & The Clear
Posted on 3/3/10 at 10:07 pm to LSUtiger17
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we weren't talking about overall team performance over the last 7 years
True, but I'm just trying to illustrate what Moffitt has inherited. It has been said that
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Moffitt and his staff are the BEST IN THE COUNTRY at making championship programs. They are not in the business of training kids for the combine.
Truth be told though, those 8 years I posted did include 2 national championships. Just showing the average recruiting ranking vs. the average final ranking over that timespan. It's not as if Moffitt is taking in scrubs and turning them into badasses. They were considered badasses before they got here.
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