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LMAO at this guy for actually thinking Texas is a legit option. There is no way Texas would abandon its traditional rivalries and go play in a conference half way across the country. Keep dreamin. The BIG 10 isn't the only conference with tradition. The BIG XII may be relatively new, but Texas has old school traditions too.





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Big Ten will not venture into the South. It will be an Eastern team.





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Xenophon
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yea, that 'article' is written with a heavy dose of big10 kool aid.. the guy thinks that everyone is dying to get in the big ten.. i guarantee the big 10 settles for one of the Pitt/Cuse/Rutgers schools..

this part is fricking hilarious..
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there’s absolutely no doubt that Texas would deliver the Big Ten Network to every single cable household in the Lone Star State. The market impact is incredible – the Big Ten, which already has the largest population base of any conference, would further increase such base by over 1/3 with Texas to over 90 million people.

his ignorance of everything outside of the big10 footprint is very evident.. the state of Texas is no lock step Longhorn state.. its more split than Florida or California.. while Texas may have the biggest fanbase, A&M, Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UTEP, SMU, etc have their own fanbases that dont crossover like he states the Cincinnati market does.. hell, the DFW metro area probably breaks down with 1)Oklahoma, 2)Texas, 3)A&M..






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molsusports
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Why would any Athletic Dept sign off on putting their players at a disadvantage



$$$$$$


That's true if you are Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and maybe even middle tier programs in the SEC etc... but not the biggest names and most profitable schools in teh country.

What matters more to then is maximizing opportunity to win conference and national championships IMO. The money follows these things naturally






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i guarantee the big 10 settles for one of the Pitt/Cuse/Rutgers schools..


Nope - Missouri.






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TxTiger82
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If Texas maintains its rivalries with Oklahoma and Texas A&M in the non-conference schedule, the Longhorns keep their two most important regional rivalries alive while opening themselves up to the entire nation during the conference schedule.

I mean, the author is right. Texas COULD do this. They could take on a BIG 10 schedule and retain OU and Texas A&M.

But why would they do that? That would just make their schedule that much more difficult. In addition to playing a major conference schedule, you are talking about making two or their three or four OOC games against two very good programs.

That's just not going to happen. Texas is more interested in beating up on North Texas and Louisiana Tech than they are in playing a BIG 10 schedule, and on top of that, playing their traditional rivals. Not happening.






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LMAO at this guy for actually thinking Texas is a legit option. There is no way Texas would abandon its traditional rivalries and go play in a conference half way across the country. Keep dreamin. The BIG 10 isn't the only conference with tradition. The BIG XII may be relatively new, but Texas has old school traditions too.


You must have a very short memory.

LINK

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The Longhorns next turned to the Big Ten.
Having added Penn State in 1990, the Big Ten was now made of universities that, in the view of UT officials, matched UT's profile — large state schools with strong academic reputations. Berdahl liked the fact that 10 conference members belonged to the American Association of Universities.

Yet, distance remained a disadvantage. Iowa, the closest Big Ten school to Austin, was 856 miles away — but the appeal of having 10 of 12 schools in the same time zone was seen as a plus.

But after adding Penn State in 1990, Big Ten officials had put a four-year moratorium on expansion. Although admitting interest, Big Ten bosses ultimately rejected UT's overtures.

That left the SEC as a possible relocation target for the Longhorns — until Berdahl let it be known that UT wasn't interested because of the league's undistinguished academic profile. Only two of 12 schools in the SEC were American Association of Universities members and UT officials saw admissions standards to SEC schools as too lenient.

"We were quite interested in raising academic standards," Berdahl says. "And the Southeastern Conference had absolutely no interest in that."

A&M, meanwhile, had no qualms about flirting with the SEC. From the late 1980s on, administrators from A&M and LSU had several informal conversations about the Aggies joining the SEC. After talks with Miami broke down in 1990, the SEC's courtship with A&M grew more serious.

LSU athletic director Joe Dean telephoned his A&M counterpart John David Crow to discuss A&M's candidacy.

"Joe was going to sponsor us, do what was needed to be done," Crow said. "They would have liked to have had us."

At the NCAA Convention in Dallas in January 1993, Dean reportedly met with Dodds and Crow to discuss a possible two-school move. Dean later told reporters that he believed UT was "headed north" — to the Big Eight or Big Ten — while A&M was the "most logical addition to the SEC."

In response to reports of the meeting, a representative of A&M president William Mobley told reporters there had been no offer and "Dr. Mobley is firmly committed to the Southwest Conference."

But in August 1993, A&M regents chairman Margraves flew to LSU for his son's graduation, taking time to meet with LSU chancellor William Davis to discuss the possible migration of A&M — and Houston — into the SEC. Margraves later said he came away from the trip favoring a move.






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Rutgers is the way to go





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Sophandros
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Syracuse would be a better choice than Rutgers.





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Xenophon
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lets please not use things that were said or thought 20 years ago to argue here..





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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Syracuse a bigger rival with PA State years ago and both are in cow towns.





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Sophandros
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The fact remains that Texas, at one point, wanted to be in the Big Ten, and it was those overtures to the Big Ten that led them to be in the Big XII.

The precedent is also there for the Texas Legislature to prohibit UT from going anywhere.

Thus, my post is extremely relevant to the conversation at hand.






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Xenophon
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i dont understand your old timer language..





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Xenophon
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fair enough.. but at least put it in perspective.. at the time the SWC was crumbling and everyone was looking for the best place to land.. it really looked like A&M was headed to the SEC, and without A&M, the Big8 didnt make much since for Texas.. once the state got involved and got all the schools on the big8 track there was never anything else seriously considered..

the big 12 is not in trouble, even if the author in the OP thinks it will cause panic if Missouri leaves.. they are easily replaceable with more attractive options in SMU, TCU, Houston, Arkansas, Colorado State or even BYU and Utah..

long story short, back then, Texas was being forced to make a move.. now, they have no incentive to do so..






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Sophandros
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Also, the post to which I responded declared that there was no way that Texas would abandon its historic rivals, but that's clearly not the case, as they tried to do so at least once before.

That said, I don't think that Texas will be in the Big Ten any time soon.






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jcole4lsu
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$$$$$$


and when the team starts losing and booster $$$$ drops off... then what? back out of the b11?

cant see the forest for the trees....






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Buckeye Fan 19
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Boise brings nothing to the table.


Boise has a ZERO percent shot at joining the Big 10. Little tradition, doesn't fit at all geographically (Texas doesn't much, but it's still better than Boise), TERRIBLE academics... no chance.






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Guster
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re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation.



As an aside, does anyone know how much revenue the SEC and/or Big 12 champ games bring in?

Just want to know a figure that the Big 10 might expect to gain, if they decided to do this.






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specs1
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Enjoy Boise State routinely whipping up on you little 10+1 homers after no other school will join.





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KosmoCramer
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specs1


at you in this thread. and at you too.






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