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No Win Situation
Posted on 11/28/09 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/28/09 at 8:22 am
Miles is in a no win situation. If he wins, well, he should have won. We have superior talent, we're higher ranked, we are favored, etc. The best outcome for Miles is neutral.
If we lose, on the other hand, it will all fall at Miles feet. If anything - anything - happens that is reminiscent of the Mississippi Meltdown all hell will break lose. Again.
Weighing heavily against Miles and LSU today is that he must change his entire coaching philosophy. His overriding objective today is DON'T SCREW UP. This is 180 degrees against his characteristic "roll the dice" philosophy. He will be tighter than Dick's hatband, and it will show itself.
Miles is in an impossible situation. He will have to coach completely against his nature and have a perfect outcome. And if he achieves that outcome he will get precious little credit.
He's screwed, and so are we.
If we lose, on the other hand, it will all fall at Miles feet. If anything - anything - happens that is reminiscent of the Mississippi Meltdown all hell will break lose. Again.
Weighing heavily against Miles and LSU today is that he must change his entire coaching philosophy. His overriding objective today is DON'T SCREW UP. This is 180 degrees against his characteristic "roll the dice" philosophy. He will be tighter than Dick's hatband, and it will show itself.
Miles is in an impossible situation. He will have to coach completely against his nature and have a perfect outcome. And if he achieves that outcome he will get precious little credit.
He's screwed, and so are we.
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Posted on 11/28/09 at 8:27 am to PICKer
It's not really complicated. Miles is making top dollar. He has to produce top results. Not sniffing Atlanta two straight years don't cut it.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 8:53 am to JustSmokin
You are correct. Coach Miles is in an impossible situation. It is cruelty to require him to continue to discharge his duties.
Because I have lost confidence in him, and, because he is in an impossible, no win situation, I would relieve Coach Miles from his duties effective immediately.
Because I have lost confidence in him, and, because he is in an impossible, no win situation, I would relieve Coach Miles from his duties effective immediately.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 8:54 am to JustSmokin
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It's not really complicated. Miles is making top dollar. He has to produce top results. Not sniffing Atlanta two straight years don't cut it.
You do understand we can't win the SECCG every year....right? Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing anything that has happened but these type of statements don't help anything. We lost to the #1 and #2 teams in the nation and even if we had beat Ole Miss, we wouldn't be going to the SEC champ game this year.
Producing top results.....I guess that means every coach in college football has failed this year, other than Fla, Bama and Tex.
Again, I was as upset as anyone after last year and after the Fla game and after the Ole Miss game. I think our team has serious issues. However, I know we can't win it all....every year.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 8:56 am to Champagne
If Miles himself can be made to recognize this, we can move on without the slow, agonizing death spiral. It's not about what's fair, or whether he's a good coach. He has lost confidence of a critical mass of the fan base that he will never, never win back.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 8:57 am to Survivor 2010
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You do understand we can't win the SECCG every year....right?
Reading comprehension issues this morning? Where in my post did I say one thing about winning the SECCG?
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Producing top results.....I guess that means every coach in college football has failed this year, other than Fla, Bama and Tex.
We failed last year, too.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:01 am to JustSmokin
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Not sniffing Atlanta two straight years don't cut it.
Comprehension? Can you tell me what this means?
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:01 am to JustSmokin
If Les comes out and wins by 14 and has another bowl win he'll have 10 wins and he will quiet down alot of people. If he loses people will say he has lost it.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:03 am to JustSmokin
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We failed last year, too.
So did a lot of other teams.
Again, I'm not saying I totally disagree with you. I posted a couple of weeks ago prior to the Ole Miss game that I think our best days with Miles are behind us. I'm just saying we will have some down years.
With those down years, I hope to have coaching in place that gives us an opportunity to win. I do not think we can go 11-1 or 12-0 every year.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:04 am to Survivor 2010
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Comprehension? Can you tell me what this means?
It means we weren't close to winning our division. 3rd in our division two years in a row. It's not like we missed out by one game. We have a losing SEC record the past two years.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:06 am to PICKer
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Miles is in an impossible situation.
True.
But its also true that he has no one else to blame but himself for his situation.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:08 am to JustSmokin
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It means we weren't close to winning our division.
Doesn't that mean u were talking about the SECCG? I thought winning our division would get us to that in Atlanta?
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It's not like we missed out by one game. We have a losing SEC record the past two years.
As I stated, I agree with you on that. All I was saying was we can't go every year.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:10 am to Survivor 2010
This is the biggest game in Miles' tenure at LSU. Win, and look good doing it, and he may start to rebuild some of the confidence of the fans that has been lost over the last 2 seasons. Lose and it confirms the impression that the program is slipping badly.
My gut feeling is that this is a very bad matchup for LSU. We cannot get pressure on Mallet and cannot score enough to keep up with them. Unless we get a strellar defensive performance, we could get blown out.
My gut feeling is that this is a very bad matchup for LSU. We cannot get pressure on Mallet and cannot score enough to keep up with them. Unless we get a strellar defensive performance, we could get blown out.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:11 am to PICKer
what you are describing is a picture of man in over his head.
The blame rests entirely at his feet.
Coaching staff
Player evaluation
Player development
Game management
Focus
Execution
The blame rests entirely at his feet.
Coaching staff
Player evaluation
Player development
Game management
Focus
Execution
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:14 am to Survivor 2010
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Doesn't that mean u were talking about the SECCG? I thought winning our division would get us to that in Atlanta?
I'm saying we weren't in the hunt for the SECCG. I said nothing about having to be in it or winning it every year.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:16 am to PICKer
How is it a no win situation when a win gives job safety?
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Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:17 am to PICKer
That's why Miles is paid what he's paid. With all that money comes expectations and accountability, such as it is with any super high level position in life. It comes with the territory. If he doesn't embrace it, then he can go pick up the towels in the locker room, and there isn't much expected there but to just flippin pick up the towels.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:18 am to JohnnyU
Why is he in a no win situation? If he loses and gets fired, he gets $18 million and never has to work another day in his life. If he wins, he comes back next yr and makes close to $4 million and then never has to work another day in his life. I don't see how it's not a win-win for him either way.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:22 am to Lithium
There is no doubt about it. We will know this evening whether Miles has lost this team or not. Losing to U of F and Alabama is one thing, I'll even throw in the loss to Ole Miss before the season started, certainly not in the style of the Mississippi meltdown. However, to lost to an Arkansas team second year in a rebuilding, then Miles has lost the team and we may as well cut bait right now. I know it won't happen i.e. that he get terminated if we lose, just saying that he should if he loses tonight. NO EXCUSE FOR LOSING TO ARKANSAS. 
Posted on 11/28/09 at 9:22 am to guttata
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Why is he in a no win situation? If he loses and gets fired, he gets $18 million and never has to work another day in his life. If he wins, he comes back next yr and makes close to $4 million and then never has to work another day in his life. I don't see how it's not a win-win for him either way.
No doubt.
Tell you what. You can pay me 4 million for a year, and drag my name through the mud, even kick me out of the state after you tar and feather me for just one year of Mile's income.
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