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Column: Preseason quotes, midseason perspective

Posted on 10/15/09 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Carl Dubois
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Posted on 10/15/09 at 3:44 pm
We rip coaches when they say something controversial. We criticize them when they don't, because we wish they'd be more interesting. It's no wonder they prefer coaching to talking.

We don't forget their promises and bold statements -- when we get them right, that is -- and we hold coaches to them.

One of the values of saving hours and hours of preseason interviews and Q&A sessions is being able to look back and listen to them again in midseason. We're at midseason.

"Offensively, certainly we'll be better," LSU coach Les Miles said at SEC Media Days. I know he said it. I was there. I recorded it.

He continued.

"A year ago we put three freshman quarterbacks on the field, all of which at one point in time got hurt," Miles said. "One currently has eight games experience as a starter, one three. I can tell you that both Jordan Jefferson (who had two starts, actually) and Jarrett Lee (eight starts) will take the field with a lot more experience and comfort with what we expect of our quarterback."

What everyone remembers is, "Offensively, certainly we'll be better."

Certainly, they're not.

"I think we can put a number of receivers on the field that can do damage to an opponent's defense."

Are they doing enough damage? No.

"Richard Dickson, our tight end, coming into his final campaign, is poised to have a great year."

Then it would seem wise to get the ball to him.

Miles talked about the learning curve at quarterback, where it's not as easy as it looks from the sideline. He expected Jordan Jefferson to benefit from his experiences as a freshman in 2008.

"He has had a great summer," Miles said in July. "He's stronger. He's bigger. He's run our 7-on-7. Our players get together in the evening a couple nights a week and throw 7-on-7. Both he and Jarrett Lee have done that. We expect those guys, we expect Jordan Jefferson, to have a great fall."

A few days later, at the Rotary Club of Baton Rouge, Miles repeated the theme.

“We’re going to be better on offense because of our quarterbacks,” he said. “We’re more mature and ready, certainly youthful, but there’s plenty of talent there.”

Not long after that, offensive coordinator Gary Crowton spoke about the QBs and the offense at LSU Media Day.

"Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee will both play," Crowton said.

I'll pause here and let you absorb that one.

After noting the receivers and running backs were back for another season, Crowton sounded upbeat.

"I'm really looking forward to a good year," he said.

In other words, Crowton didn't dispute what Miles said earlier in the day.

"We’re three practices in, and I have a distinct impression that this is a pretty talented team," Miles said before Crowton spoke. "Offensively, our quarterbacks are throwing, and our receivers are making nice catches. We have some depth at running back. I like our veteran offensive line. It appears to be a productive offense."

Today it's ranked 109th in total offense and 89th in scoring. That's out of 120 teams in major college football.

On the outlook for freshman Russell Shepard, Crowton sounded optimistic in the preseason.

“He’s very athletic," Crowton said. "It’s hard to put him in a spot, like quarterback, where we already have two guys. We’re going to use his athleticism to help the team immediately to become successful. He could play a lot of positions and be extremely good at those positions. At the same time, he has some very good ball skills even today as a freshman.”

What people heard was: He'll contribute immediately.

Miles was a tad more reserved, suggesting Shepard would need time to mature and saying it was a work in progress to figure out ways to use Shepard in the offense.

There was a hint of multiple offensive formations.

"I think we have the personnel for a number of formations, with the unusual one being the quarterback-carry formation," Miles said. "We have the ability to have that going. That’s one of the things we’re looking into. I think personnel-wise, we have two quarterbacks that can do it, and probably a tailback or two as well.”

It sounded like Miles challenged tailback Keiland Williams to show he deserved more carries.

"What I ask Keiland to do," Miles said, "is this: when he’s carrying the ball, to see where great backs are, and go there. He has all the ability, he’s agile, and he’s fast. There are runs where he can get to a place that maybe other running backs can’t, and I ask him to see that. I think he’s playing tough. Toughness has never been an issue with Keiland.

"It’s his vision, and making that quick plant and getting north and south. It’s also about making a 7-yard gain instead of a 3-yard gain, and then getting beyond that 7-yard gain. I’ve told him to take it north and south more, and in early camp, I see it.”

Putting it on the line

I think those are fair comments to evaluate after six games. Sometimes, though, I understand why coaches would prefer to never say anything.

At SEC Media Days, Miles talked about the guys up front.

"The depth on the offensive line, you know, the five guys that will take the field -- Ciron Black, Josh Dworaczyk, either T-Bob Hebert or P.J. Lonergan at center, (and) on the right side (Lyle) Hitt and (Joseph) Barksdale return -- I think that gives us a great chance to be a very dominant offensive line."

He went on to talk about the backups, saying the coaches were waiting for a guy to emerge as a dependable tackle.

"There's a number of candidates there," Miles said. "I think we do have talent, but I'm waiting for that to take place. I think certainly there's some competition there, and we have enough."

When he said LSU had a great chance to be a very dominant offensive line, it reminded me of when Nick Saban said it was LSU's goal to be dominant. Weeks later, when the Tigers were struggling to live up to that, everyone had transformed that quote into what best suited their agenda.

Saban said LSU was going to dominate! Well, it ain't happening, Nicky!

Saying something is your goal and promising it's going to happen are two different things.

At LSU Media Day, Miles continued to assess his offensive line.

“Our offensive line is more mobile than it’s been," he said. "I think Lyle Hitt and Josh Dworaczyk are both guards that can really get up and run. Joe Barksdale has had one of the strongest summers I’ve been around. Ciron Black has been a starter there for three years and is going on his fourth, so I think our offensive line is potentially going to be as good as there is.

"There’s a great battle going on at our center spot with P.J. Lonergan and T-Bob Hebert. I think it’s a good group. We need to develop some depth behind those tackles and develop some depth behind those guards, but it appears we’ll have two quality centers and a very strong offensive line group.”

What people heard was: This offensive line is going to be as good as there is. Potentially was conveniently forgotten.

Why? Probably because of something Miles had already said about two weeks earlier at the Rotary Club of Baton Rouge.

The Advocate quoted Miles as saying a revamped offensive line would be “as good as we’ve ever had here since I’ve been here."

Gannett newspapers in Louisiana and elsewhere reported it this way: Miles, speaking to the Baton Rouge Rotary Club last week, said this line will be the best since he's been at LSU.

Do you think saying the line would be "as good as we've ever had had here since I've been here" is the same as saying it "will be the best" since he's been at LSU? Most people remembered the latter, and to them it sounded like a promise.

In paraphrase form, it lives today. The full body of Miles quotes on the offensive line in preseason leaned heavily on its potential, but a
Posted by purplengold1
Illinois
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/15/09 at 3:49 pm to
nice
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7283 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 3:51 pm to
Wow Carl ... I think you've been reading the Rant too much! But I must say, it has provided good fodder for your columns.
Posted by Thomas the Tiger
Member since Jan 2009
1311 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 4:17 pm to
hmmmm, thats good stuff Carl, my dad used to tell me, " u hear funny, u hear what u wanna hear " maybe theres alot of truth in that
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:08 pm to
Well done.
Posted by STUGOTS
Madisonville
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:37 pm to
Very nice job. These articles are what keep me coming back to Tiger Droppings...
Posted by TigerWoody
btwn where I was & where I will be
Member since Dec 2007
11387 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:22 pm to
Nicely done Carl! I like the way you managed to call out the fans as well as the coaches.
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22506 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 7:39 pm to
Outstanding, accurate, informed, classy way to remind some people of what was said without calling BS.
Posted by X Carter Is Fast
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Jun 2006
1665 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 9:12 pm to
i dont understand, every coach every year will say they will be better, whats the point of this
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 10:56 pm to
This column proves there is no such thing as a Carl DuBlog article that's "too long."

What makes this such a great column is that Carl actually adheres to the journalist's credo: "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted."
Posted by johnfredlsu
Member since Feb 2007
548 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:25 pm to
hands-down the best reporting on LSU. period. i might be in Philadelphia...but these articles put me back in the middle of Baton Rouge. keep up the solid reporting and analysis. your perspective is refreshing and provocative.
Posted by johnfredlsu
Member since Feb 2007
548 posts
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:26 pm to
geaux tigers!
This post was edited on 10/15/09 at 11:27 pm
Posted by Paul_LSU_passion
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2004
5469 posts
Posted on 10/16/09 at 5:56 am to
Somebody needs to ask Miles a question on the show this Wed and read back the quotes about being better offensively and both Lee and Jefferson sharing playing time. They need to load a question using those two gems and then hang up and listen. I would like to know what his answers are to those two.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17500 posts
Posted on 10/16/09 at 8:45 am to
Carl Dubois - This is ridiculously well done. Congrats sir!
Posted by LSUNO
the NO
Member since Jan 2007
863 posts
Posted on 10/16/09 at 9:33 am to
quote:

Days before the Florida-LSU game, Urban Meyer gave a brief answer to a question about Tiger Stadium. I transcribed the entire quote on this site. Word for word.
Another reporter apparently wrote from memory and his notes, and he used the parts that sounded most interesting. That included a sentence Meyer never uttered.
Guess which one was passed around the Internet at the speed of light? Not the full transcription, the boring one, but the shorter one, the one that sounded more catchy. The one he never said.


Who and what was this?
Posted by MiketheTiger69
Moore/Norman, Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2004
3315 posts
Posted on 10/16/09 at 10:57 am to
Great article, as usual, Carl.
This syndrome of people taking one thing and turning it into something else is reflective of our society as a whole. In sports, the effect is rather benign overall but when applied to other aspects, say politics, the effects can be literally life changing.
It's too bad that we've developed into such a hateful and selfish society that we can't simply take things at face value and process the information simply for what it is.
Posted by thecreelymac
new orleans
Member since Jul 2008
774 posts
Posted on 10/16/09 at 1:25 pm to
same thing i was wondering., what was the sentence?
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 10/16/09 at 4:17 pm to
no offense, Carl, but the media generally sucks. Here's the situation that gets me. The media asks someone a question. The person answers the question. Suddenly, it's portrayed that the person has an agenda. For ex., let's say a reporter asks Shepard if he'd like the ball more. He responds, Sure, I'm a competitive guy, I'd love to get the ball more!" Headline next day, "Shepard Demands More Carries! Unhappy with Current Situation!"
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
6169 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:42 am to
this is one of the best articles i've read in a while on LSU. great stuff here, really enjoyed it, carl.
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