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Active Hall of Fame QBs
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:19 am
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:19 am
Lock for the Hall of Fame:
- T. Brady
- B. Favre
- P. Manning
- K. Warner
On the bubble:
- B. Roethlisberger
Longshot:
- D. McNabb
- T. Brady
- B. Favre
- P. Manning
- K. Warner
On the bubble:
- B. Roethlisberger
Longshot:
- D. McNabb
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:36 am to PetermanFanClub
Pretty much agree with that list, not much for me to add, lol.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:57 am to PetermanFanClub
can you add Drew Brees under the longshot category?
If he wins a Super Bowl and a league MVP in the next 2-3 years, I'd think he might have a legit shot...
If he wins a Super Bowl and a league MVP in the next 2-3 years, I'd think he might have a legit shot...
Posted on 2/4/09 at 3:59 am to Gugich22
outside of long shot looking in: brees
Posted on 2/4/09 at 4:07 am to beauchristopher
if McNabb is a longshot than Brees has to be on that list, he only is 3000 yards behind McNabb in passing and about 30 TD's behind him. He also is 2 years younger than McNabb. Not to metion that if he runs a few more seasons like last year he will be on the bubble for the hall of fame.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 7:50 am to CM84
accumulating stats in the 4th quarter is different than accumulating those stats in winning efforts imo..
McNabb put up numbers with garbage wideouts pretty much the whole time he was there in a city that boo'd him and boo's him constantly..
Brees has a lil ways to go
McNabb put up numbers with garbage wideouts pretty much the whole time he was there in a city that boo'd him and boo's him constantly..
Brees has a lil ways to go
Posted on 2/4/09 at 7:56 am to staugslugga
quote:
McNabb put up numbers with garbage wideouts pretty much the whole time he was there in a city that boo'd him and boo's him constantly..
um.. and the saints wide receivers are a bunch of home grown late round-undrafted players.. atleast mcnabb got to ball with to for a nice run.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 8:02 am to PetermanFanClub
Lock
Favre
Manning
On Track
Brady- if his career ended today with 7 full seasons I wouldn't call him a lock. Probably in but would take a few years. Another couple of years at the same level= lock.
Brees- 6.66 full seasons, compare to Brady: COMP% TB 63 DB 63.9, TD/INT TB 197/86 DB 168/99, YDS TB 26446 DB 26258, RATING TB 92.9 DB 89.4
Extrapolate DB numbers since in NO forward 5 years and his stats will surpass TB. The biggest diff? Super Bowls- Brady 4, 3 wins, 2 MVPs, 1 NFL MVP. A Super Bowl or two and Brees goes from longshot/bubble to probable/lock. 5+ more years at the performance level he has had in NOLA with no SB and he gets consideration similar to other non championship QB HOFers (Jurgensen, Fouts, Moon, etc).
Bubble
Warner- I'd vote no if he retires now. 2.75 great seasons with 2SBs and 2 MVPs. Then in the next 5 yrs he only played in 35 games and couldn't win a starting job. Then 2 more top notch years + another SB. 5 years great and 5 years poor is not HOF IMO.
McNabb- closer than Warner to me. 10yrs consistently as a league leader. 4 NFC title games, 1 SB. 3-5 more years statistically will make probable, another SB locks.
Starting Block
Big Ben- only 5 years, but 5 more like the first 5= lock.
NOTE: Better keep Brees in the posts or the thread police will jack this to MSB. I got a PM after posting about FA QBs here (even tho discussing a Brunnell replacement). "Private Message: Please keep the non-Saints threads on the MSB, not the Saints Talk board."
Favre
Manning
On Track
Brady- if his career ended today with 7 full seasons I wouldn't call him a lock. Probably in but would take a few years. Another couple of years at the same level= lock.
Brees- 6.66 full seasons, compare to Brady: COMP% TB 63 DB 63.9, TD/INT TB 197/86 DB 168/99, YDS TB 26446 DB 26258, RATING TB 92.9 DB 89.4
Extrapolate DB numbers since in NO forward 5 years and his stats will surpass TB. The biggest diff? Super Bowls- Brady 4, 3 wins, 2 MVPs, 1 NFL MVP. A Super Bowl or two and Brees goes from longshot/bubble to probable/lock. 5+ more years at the performance level he has had in NOLA with no SB and he gets consideration similar to other non championship QB HOFers (Jurgensen, Fouts, Moon, etc).
Bubble
Warner- I'd vote no if he retires now. 2.75 great seasons with 2SBs and 2 MVPs. Then in the next 5 yrs he only played in 35 games and couldn't win a starting job. Then 2 more top notch years + another SB. 5 years great and 5 years poor is not HOF IMO.
McNabb- closer than Warner to me. 10yrs consistently as a league leader. 4 NFC title games, 1 SB. 3-5 more years statistically will make probable, another SB locks.
Starting Block
Big Ben- only 5 years, but 5 more like the first 5= lock.
NOTE: Better keep Brees in the posts or the thread police will jack this to MSB. I got a PM after posting about FA QBs here (even tho discussing a Brunnell replacement). "Private Message: Please keep the non-Saints threads on the MSB, not the Saints Talk board."
This post was edited on 2/4/09 at 9:09 am
Posted on 2/4/09 at 9:02 am to blueslover
Big Ben is certainly on his way, he is still pretty damn young and has 2 super bowl rings. He may not be the flashiest QB, but he makes things happen, and gets the job done.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 9:14 am to blueslover
quote:I would agree with this. The problem with McNabb is he might fall off the face of the earth at any time it seems. IMO, he doesn't keep himself in very good shape so that might shorten his career.
McNabb- closer than Warner to me. 10yrs consistently as a league leader. 4 NFC title games, 1 SB. 3-5 more years statistically will make probable, another SB locks.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 11:57 am to blueslover
quote:
Brady- if his career ended today with 7 full seasons I wouldn't call him a lock. Probably in but would take a few years. Another couple of years at the same level= lock.
First ballot lock if he never sets foot on a field again. Its all about the rings.
Brees I don't see happening without a SB or MVP.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:03 pm to PetermanFanClub
quote:For God's sake, I don't get the Brett Favre thing. Throwing the most INTs in the history of the game gets you in the Hall? Might as well put me in, too. Except I haven't thrown as many picks as Brett. He's nothing but a media darling and his worth to the NFL is super inflated by ESPN.
Lock for the Hall of Fame:
- T. Brady
- B. Favre
- P. Manning
- K. Warner
On the bubble:
- B. Roethlisberger
Longshot:
- D. McNabb
Big Ben will be a Hall of Famer. He's already won two Super Bowls. That's two more than Warner, one more than Manning and he's been in the league less than all.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:06 pm to staugslugga
quote:Overcoming boos contributes to Hall votes? Sheesh.
McNabb put up numbers with garbage wideouts pretty much the whole time he was there in a city that boo'd him and boo's him constantly..
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:15 pm to The Sad Banana
Warner's been to 3 Super Bowls. Every QB who's been to 3 or more Super Bowls is in the Hall (currently 10 have been to 3 or more). Add to that 2 League MVP awards. He's a lock.
Brees needs playoff success on a consistent basis to be seriously considered.
Roethlisberger is no lock with his 2 SB wins. Just ask Jim Plunkett who is 2-0 in the SB and still waiting for an invite.
Brees needs playoff success on a consistent basis to be seriously considered.
Roethlisberger is no lock with his 2 SB wins. Just ask Jim Plunkett who is 2-0 in the SB and still waiting for an invite.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:19 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
For God's sake, I don't get the Brett Favre thing. Throwing the most INTs in the history of the game gets you in the Hall? Might as well put me in, too. Except I haven't thrown as many picks as Brett. He's nothing but a media darling
What are you 15? Go check out what he did in the 90's. Now he is just circus act and attention whore that can't let go, but he's easily one of the best 10-15 QB's in NFL history.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 12:28 pm to The Sad Banana
oops, you mean Big Ben one more than Warner, SB MVP in the 2000 STL win.
I'd probably vote Favre in but he is indeed overhyped. Longevity and health went a long way in piling up stats. On the plus side I give him points for 1 SB win, 2 NFC titles, 7 division titles, and most victories as a QB. He was a gunslinger with downside but did embody toughness and love of the game. The consecutive games played by a QB means more to me than most TD passes.
I'd probably vote Favre in but he is indeed overhyped. Longevity and health went a long way in piling up stats. On the plus side I give him points for 1 SB win, 2 NFC titles, 7 division titles, and most victories as a QB. He was a gunslinger with downside but did embody toughness and love of the game. The consecutive games played by a QB means more to me than most TD passes.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 1:42 pm to blueslover
Make sure to give Favre credit for NFL MVP awards also. I liken Favre to Hank Aaron. No one would have said Aaron was the best when he played or one of the best all time, but he played long enough and stayed healthy to compile a very respectable career. And for most of that career he was considered one of the top 5 QB's in the game. 4 NFC title games, 2 Super Bowls, One ring is not too shabby.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 2:18 pm to blueslover
quote:Indeed. Thanks, man.
oops, you mean Big Ben one more than Warner, SB MVP in the 2000 STL win.
I'm not ridiculing anyone for saying that Favre is a Hall lock. I just think he's an overhyped baby that isn't as good as his predecessors or peers. Maybe I'm blinded by my Favre hate. I'm at the mercy of the Saints Board, here.
This post was edited on 2/4/09 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/4/09 at 2:20 pm to alajones
quote:
but he played long enough and stayed healthy to compile a very respectable career
Respectable career? No.
Don Mattingly had a respectable career, Hammering Hank was the all time HR leader. He may not have been the GOAT, but 1 of the best 5-10 hitters of all time is not "respectable", he's an all time great, like Favre.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 2:26 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
I'm not ridiculing anyone for saying that Favre is a Hall lock
anyone that say's he is not a lock should be ridiculed. He's a SB winner that hold most career passing records, that's as big of a lock as you can get. You may not like him or his current overcoverage, but he is a mortal lock for the HOF.
quote:
I just think he's an overhyped baby
He is now for sure, definiately a prima donna.
quote:
isn't as good as his predecessors or peers
Define those. At his peak Farve was the best QB in the NFL, he won 3 MVP's, lead GB to 2 strait SB winning 1. In 2008 he is not as good as his peers, in 1996 he was the best player in the NFL. He is not the GOAT for sure, but top 10-15 all time easily.
quote:
Maybe I'm blinded by my Favre hate
clearly
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