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re: Program of the Decade
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:00 pm to King Joey
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:00 pm to King Joey
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Considering over half of SC's conference championships were shared anyway, and that in 3 of the 4 seasons we did not reach the SEC Championship Game we were one game away from it (Auburn in '06 and '04; and Arkansas, Auburn or Bama in '02; Auburn in '00), how much difference in the quality of conference competition do you think it would take to eliminate that margin of conference titles?
No one has the correct answer for a conference determining a champion:
SEC - You play a championship game. However, if you're someone like Bama this year, you get to avoid certain teams in the regular season. Say LSU had two SEC losses (UF and UGA) and Bama only had one (LSU), well, Bama would go to the SECCG without ever having to play someone like UF. I like our conference's way of doing things better, but it's not perfect.
Pac-10 - You play every single team. You don't play a conference championship game, which is typically playing one of the top conference teams again, but what if the Pac-10 did have a championship game, what if USC avoided Oregon St in the regular season? USC would have gone undefeated and played Oregon, who they crushed, in the conference championship game.
You can't clearly say one is better than the other because both have strong and weak points.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:11 pm to AlexLSU
quote:You're talking about formats, I'm talking about the strength of the conference.
You can't clearly say one is better than the other because both have strong and weak points.
My point is that noone is suggesting an NFL/Pop Warner margin in conference strength. But considering the very thin margin by which SC has won many of those Pac 10 titles, it is entirely reasonable to conclude that if the Pac 10 were even a little bit tougher, it is unlikely they would have as many conference titles. Likewise, the margin by which LSU missed out on winning the West (and a shot at the SEC Championship) is so narrow in many years that it is very reasonable to conclude that if the SEC were even a little bit easier, it is likely we would have been in another SEC Championship Game or two (or three, etc.), thus greatly increasing the chance that we would have more SEC Championships.
That means that discounting the strength of conference factor while relying on achievements made by thin margins -- margins well within the reasonable range of that difference in conference strength -- is not taking an objective view of the comparison.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:17 pm to AlexLSU
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You can't clearly say one is better than the other because both have strong and weak points.
Dude, I was trying to be nice today, but you fricked that all up! Are you REALLY this stupid? You think you can compare the pac 10 to the SEC? You're joking ..... right?
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:27 pm to AlexLSU
The problem with this whole discussion is that everyone thinks that we are a "better team" over time because we've had better seasons, as in we won more BCS Championships before this season than any other team. Truth is, we have not been the most dominant program this decade, and I don't think we can lay any claim to the team of the decade when we can't even follow up a championship ranked in the top 25.
Success to me is measured in wins and losses. That takes away any subjectivity for teams that play in different conferences. All the major players, LSU, UF, SC, OU, UT, & OSU play in BCS conferences and the level of competition is similar. Its not like we're comparing the SEC to the Mountain West.
From 2001-2008:
T-1. UT and SC .854 winning percentage
2. OU .824
3. OSU .813
4. LSU .781
5. UF .750
Also, USC, OSU and OU all have 7 BCS bowl appearances each.
4 teams have shown the ability to be more consistent than us, year in and year out. Now I can understand if LSU and UF get a boost due to the fact that an argument can be made that both schools belong in the conversation as an elite team because the SEC is 4-0 in BCS championship games during the same time period, but you can't say that UF and LSU are the most dominant programs of the decade without being biased.
Success to me is measured in wins and losses. That takes away any subjectivity for teams that play in different conferences. All the major players, LSU, UF, SC, OU, UT, & OSU play in BCS conferences and the level of competition is similar. Its not like we're comparing the SEC to the Mountain West.
From 2001-2008:
T-1. UT and SC .854 winning percentage
2. OU .824
3. OSU .813
4. LSU .781
5. UF .750
Also, USC, OSU and OU all have 7 BCS bowl appearances each.
4 teams have shown the ability to be more consistent than us, year in and year out. Now I can understand if LSU and UF get a boost due to the fact that an argument can be made that both schools belong in the conversation as an elite team because the SEC is 4-0 in BCS championship games during the same time period, but you can't say that UF and LSU are the most dominant programs of the decade without being biased.
This post was edited on 1/9/09 at 2:31 pm
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