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LSU D approach vs. GT
Posted on 12/22/08 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 12:42 pm
I heard something breifly on sports talk here in Atlanta that LSU was planning to D up on Tech with a much different approach than the norm - something old school geared toward specifically facing a triple option type O like tech runs. I didn't get to hear the segment, just the quick preview about it with some LSU news writer that 680 was going to bring on later in the hour.
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Posted on 12/22/08 at 12:46 pm to SBJ
If they would just play disciplined and tackle well that would solve 90% of our problem vs them.
They don't pass much and we have some good athletes up front.
What you are referring to is probably about the story that ran last week about the old school coach who came to LSU last week to discuss with Les about how to stop GT. The guy had coached against Oklahoma back in their wishbone prime years.
They don't pass much and we have some good athletes up front.
What you are referring to is probably about the story that ran last week about the old school coach who came to LSU last week to discuss with Les about how to stop GT. The guy had coached against Oklahoma back in their wishbone prime years.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 12:48 pm to SBJ
Against Alabama in the early 70's, LSU did very well against the wishbone. Bama always managed to get that one spectacular scoring play.
As I recall, the nose tackle setayed home for the FB dive, the DE would attempt to fxorce the early pitch from the QB and then it was up to the LB/CB to get the trailing back.
The faster you get the QB to pitch, the better chance you have to stop it.
As I recall, the nose tackle setayed home for the FB dive, the DE would attempt to fxorce the early pitch from the QB and then it was up to the LB/CB to get the trailing back.
The faster you get the QB to pitch, the better chance you have to stop it.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 12:53 pm to SBJ
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I heard something breifly on sports talk here in Atlanta that LSU was planning to D up on Tech with a much different approach than the norm - something old school geared toward specifically facing a triple option type O like tech runs. I didn't get to hear the segment, just the quick preview about it with some LSU news writer that 680 was going to bring on later in the hour.
Maybe they could get help from your DC...
Oh, wait. Never mind.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 12:57 pm to SBJ
We're phucked when they come out passing. :wink:
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:02 pm to Purplehaze
Yep - that makes sense, both replies. We certainly manned up on them assignment football all the way in the first half and shut em down big time. Paul Johnson made a couple of simple adjustments at half time to start accounting for our Safety more on crack blocks from the WR and what not, as Rashad Jones (our S) had been making solid stuffs on their run game at the line of scrimmage 1st half. They started accounting for Jones more in the 2nd half, we didn't do anything to adjust, just stuck with the same game plan - and got 300 rushing yards dumped on us in the 2nd half. Really 1 guy they took out, and just did a better job of their WR's blocking our DB's - and that was it. It's all about assignment for sure vs. the triple option, nothing fancy. Johnson knows that offense like that back of his hand and is great at making adjustments throughout the game based on what the opposing D is doing to get 1 or 2 defenders off assignment - and that's all it takes for that offense to start getting the 7 - 10 yd gains or more on the ground. Stay on assignment - but constantly analyze what Johnson's doing with his blocking his scheme and be willing to adjust a little to whatever minor changes he makes. Minor changes in that offensive scheme if not accounted for amazingly can turn into crazy ground yards. They threw it twice against us and won the f'ing game with 400 + yards on the ground, in Athens none the less, because of a simple blocking adjustment at half time by their offense in which we just stuck with the same thing on D to stop it. Sick feeling - can't stand Tech, hope yall beat em by 4 TD's. But johnson's good with that offense / adjustments after the ball is kicked off.
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Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:07 pm to SBJ
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but constantly analyze what Johnson's doing with his blocking his scheme and be willing to adjust a little to whatever minor changes he makes.
This really scares the hell out of me. I am not sure our defensive staff or coach Miles knew what that ment this past season.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:12 pm to SBJ
Well, a polymath such as yourself should have no problem finding another interest to occupy your time.
HRD's mamma says hello.
HRD's mamma says hello.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:15 pm to footballislife
Besides discipline and good tackling, which have been mentioned, we need the interior of the DL to win their battles.
If our DL can clog up the middle, taking away #21's runs up the gut, that will take a lot of pressure off of the back 7. Even better if they can get into the backfield and throw off the timing of the QB making his handoff or option read.
UGA was able to do this a few times and it really blew up those plays. BC also gave GT trouble with good interior line play. Nevis and RJF might be able to bust up some plays with penetration; hopefully Charles Alexander is healthy, in which case he's an excellent run stuffer in the middle also.
If our DL can clog up the middle, taking away #21's runs up the gut, that will take a lot of pressure off of the back 7. Even better if they can get into the backfield and throw off the timing of the QB making his handoff or option read.
UGA was able to do this a few times and it really blew up those plays. BC also gave GT trouble with good interior line play. Nevis and RJF might be able to bust up some plays with penetration; hopefully Charles Alexander is healthy, in which case he's an excellent run stuffer in the middle also.
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Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:15 pm to SBJ
Maybe a 4-4 look... 
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:16 pm to GTRules
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If they would just play disciplined and tackle well that would solve 90% of our problem vs them. They don't pass much and we have some good athletes up front. What you are referring to is probably about the story that ran last week about the old school coach who came to LSU last week to discuss with Les about how to stop GT. The guy had coached against Oklahoma back in their wishbone prime years.
There is a scary word being used wildly with LSU in the same sentence...
Discipline.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:18 pm to SBJ
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Minor changes in that offensive scheme if not accounted for amazingly can turn into crazy ground yards. They threw it twice against us and won the f'ing game with 400 + yards on the ground, in Athens none the less, because of a simple blocking adjustment at half time by their offense in which we just stuck with the same thing on D to stop it.
I'd say that's an accurate assessment. We started blocking the FS, and UGA's defense went to crap.
Same sorts of things happened in games vs other "speed and athleticism" defenses this year. We played until we found out which adjustment to make, made it, and ran for a zillion. vs FSU, we simply motioned the playside A back out into the slot away from the play, his man followed him, and it was like a free block. FSU had spent all week on "assignment football" so we used that against them.
LSU, with your new ringer at Defensive Coordinator, may be able to get enough adjustments on the books and practiced before the game starts to where you can hang. You may not. I'm not real sure. But generally what you need to defend this thing reliably, is intelligent players.
All recruiters nowadays are looking for "team speed" instead of "team brains."
Duke and UNC probably stopped this thing better than anyone else did this year. The trick is to take away the pitch, suck it up, give us 8 yards a carry, let us drive the ball, and hope your offense can outscore us. Eventually we might fumble.
Tech is undefeated in games with 2 TOs or less, and winless in games with 3 TOs or more, this season.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:18 pm to GTRules
What up GT. It was easy to be a polymath after watching the transformation from the 1st half to the 2nd in that game, even for a UGA grad. 
You techsters are always showing up and using big words. Mongo usually only know tackle / block / run...and that the choo choo go through rock ridge.
You techsters are always showing up and using big words. Mongo usually only know tackle / block / run...and that the choo choo go through rock ridge.This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:23 pm to SBJ
Hey, your wife is the one who brought out that word. I only know equations used in circuit analysis.
But one thing I know for sure:
Rules only pawn in game of life.
But one thing I know for sure:
Rules only pawn in game of life.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:27 pm to NorfolkVATiger
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If our DL can clog up the middle, taking away #21's runs up the gut, that will take a lot of pressure off of the back 7.
We completely shut down their full back run in the first half, completely. And didn't really give them much of it in the 2nd half though they were a little more successful with it then, but nothing dramatic. What killed us was that Johnson realized we were committing so much to stopping the full back dive, they kept running the speed sweep and getting out on the end which meant a DB or S had to come up and make the play most of the time on the perimeter. Well our DB's and S did a great job of it in the first half - tackling their RB's at the line of scrimmage. Once Tech made the adjustment at half to put a much bigger emphasis on blocking our secondary guys, - 2 yard runs around the end turned into 10, 20, 50 yard bursts.
Stuff em up the middle for sure - but it is literally 1 on 1 a lot out on the perimeter when they run option or sweep at that point. Great if you can stay on assigment and adjust - not so great if your DB's or Safeties have a tough time getting off blocks.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:28 pm to GTRules
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Rules only pawn in game of life.
Me and you both.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:31 pm to footballislife
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What you are referring to is probably about the story that ran last week about the old school coach who came to LSU last week to discuss with Les about how to stop GT. The guy had coached against Oklahoma back in their wishbone prime years.
Incorrect. That was Larry Lacewell who coached under Barry Switzer at OU in the 70s and he ran the option when he was the HC at Arkansas St and is one of the last old school coaches alive to coach it.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:36 pm to SBJ
SBJ, how big are your corners and safeties? Other than Reshad, who I'm familiar with (and who is terrific), I was under the impression your CBs might be a bit undersized.
Both of LSU's CBs are 6'1, one is 205#, the other about 185#, and the safeties are all pretty big (including Chad Jones at about 6'3 225#). I'm hoping they have more luck shedding WR blocks than UGA did - you're right, in the second half those WRs really broke the outside runs with their blocking.
Both of LSU's CBs are 6'1, one is 205#, the other about 185#, and the safeties are all pretty big (including Chad Jones at about 6'3 225#). I'm hoping they have more luck shedding WR blocks than UGA did - you're right, in the second half those WRs really broke the outside runs with their blocking.
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 1:48 pm to SBJ
Will Malleveto at the helm, no worries! 
Posted on 12/22/08 at 2:00 pm to Purplehaze
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The faster you get the QB to pitch, the better chance you have to stop it.
That seems true. I'm no expert, but I went to Navy, so have seen it run a lot, and it definitely seems the longer you let the QB drift down the line without committing to keep or pitch, the greater chance he will find a running lane for himself or suck the defense towards him and get better yards on the pitch. Guess that's why another poster also said it's important to get good DL penetration, assumably more by the DE, to make it harder for the QB to get to the outside.
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