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re: "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez was given the maximum sentence of 18 months in prison

Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:33 pm to
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:33 pm to
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Are you a man?


Mcmelt is either a G or Q. He told us which once but I forget now.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1874 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:41 pm to
Don’t you think the victim here had a tiny fraction of blame herself? She certainly was putting herself at high risk being on a set with a purple-haired armorer and should have known better. She FAFO in a sense.
Posted by BradBallard
Wilmington, Delaware
Member since Jun 2020
361 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:51 pm to
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I can't stand Baldwin but I'd love to know what SOP is on a movie set. My initial thought is the armorer takes care of the safety aspect so the actor can just ac


Taken directly from SAG guidelines which are attached below:

- always assume a weapon is loaded and dangerous
- never point it at anyone
- never put finger on trigger unless ready to shoot
- anyone issued a firearm must be fully trained on the weapon

LINK

Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10157 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:55 pm to
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I mean... Even as much as I dislike Baldwin, the armorer was 100% responsible for that incident.


No, the production crew was completely negligent from the top.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20038 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:57 pm to
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There is so much wrong with this statement



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"You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon," Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer said. "But for you, Ms. Hutchins would be alive. A husband would have his partner, and a little boy would have his mother."


Yeah, she makes her sound like she is guilty for something worth more than 18 months.
Posted by OzonaOkapi
Patrolling the Edwards Plateau
Member since Apr 2024
400 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:01 pm to
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"You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon," Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer said. "But for you, Ms. Hutchins would be alive. A husband would have his partner, and a little boy would have his mother."


Yeah, she makes her sound like she is guilty for something worth more than 18 months.
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"You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon," Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer said. "But for you, Ms. Hutchins would be alive. A husband would have his partner, and a little boy would have his mother."
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Yeah, she makes her sound like she is guilty for something worth more than 18 months.

It was the statutory maximum sentence for the crime with which she was charged.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25511 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:03 pm to
Odds of her learning anything are next to nil.
Posted by BradBallard
Wilmington, Delaware
Member since Jun 2020
361 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:06 pm to
Based on the law, Baldwin should be found guilty. It’s not the bullets that will sink Baldwin. It’s the fact that during a REHEARSAL he had the gun fully cocked, with his finger on the trigger, and pointed it directly at someone WITHOUT ensuring that the gun was empty. This is criminal negligence in ever state. Since it was a rehearsal, there shouldn’t have been anything in the gun.

It came out during the armorer trial that Baldwin was extremely reckless in other scenes.
- shooting off blanks in frustration after CUT
- using his gun as a pointing stick to direct people where to go

Three things had to happen for a death on set:

- wrong bullets loaded into the gun (armorer)
- gun had to be pointed at someone (Baldwin)
-gun had to be fully cocked and the trigger pulled (Baldwin)

It also came out that in the fall of 2023, Baldwin was trying to do a documentary on the shooting and was putting a lot of pressure on prosecution witnesses to be interview for it. Thats potential witness tampering.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38993 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:15 pm to
Baldwin will get three weeks of community service
Posted by BradBallard
Wilmington, Delaware
Member since Jun 2020
361 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:23 pm to
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Baldwin will get three weeks of community service


If he’s found guilty, I don’t think so. Reading the prosecution response to Baldwin’s dismissal motion, it’s clear Baldwin has no case and is throwing crap against the wall to see if it sticks.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
10549 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:37 pm to
18 months? It was her responsibility to ensure no live ammo was used NO MATTER WHAT
Posted by Leotiger725
Member since Jan 2021
812 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:42 pm to
Women in the workplace
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
30056 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:58 pm to
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and her career as an armorer is finished.


Understatement of the year.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64754 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:11 pm to
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but she didnt point it at a person and pull the trigger did she?


Is it true Baldwin did this before the movie shoot was going?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58249 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:16 pm to
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13563 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:47 pm to
I dont know how many of you were raised around guns. I can tell you this, someone could check a shotgun to ensure it has no shells, immediately hand it to me.....and if I did not check it again myself my dad would whip that arse.

Tell me some of you trust that girl you just picked up while on vacation to hand you one of her condoms???? They love to put pin pricks in the package, make them a little tourist baby.

Always inspect fellas, always.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11587 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:16 pm to
The other thing about Baldwin is that he was in charge. He was the armorer's boss. He was responsible for things going on at that set. If live ammo was there, and especially if he participated in any plinking etc, he should be toast.
Posted by OzonaOkapi
Patrolling the Edwards Plateau
Member since Apr 2024
400 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:31 pm to
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The other thing about Baldwin is that he was in charge. He was the armorer's boss. He was responsible for things going on at that set.
Has anyone ever established this as being true?

My recollection is that he was one of about a dozen people credited as some sort of "producer" on the film, but that we did not really know who was actually in charge of what. He might have been the boss, and it might have been nothing more than a vanity title.

That lack of information from back at the time of the shooting certainly may have changed by now, but I've not seen it.

It does not really matter. Read the indictment (called an "information" in New Mexico). He is not charged for criminally negligent hiring or criminally negligent supervision. or anything of that sort. The only charges related to negligent use of the pistol.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 11:45 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79388 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:12 am to
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She brought the live ammo onto the set. She loaded the gun with at least one live round then handed it off declaring it was safe. She said that she doesn't have to shake all the dummies to make sure they are safe. She is 100% responsible.


Do you even culpability bro?
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
11124 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:47 am to
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a safe weapon


Wow. A judge really said this. Our Justice system is becoming downright frightening.
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