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re: Bloodwork results: advice on my next steps?

Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:58 am to
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54184 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:58 am to
Will a PCP generally order all of this for annual check ups if you request it?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31621 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:43 am to
they can if you request it. shitty pcp will tell you....you dont need all that. they are wrong. good pcp will say, sure and get you the information. information is power.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33659 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:00 am to
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lsu777
Thank you
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31621 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:10 am to
other option is the marek complete. If you have not done a panel and a while and want a complete picture or if you or older, i suggest this one. its more complete than any other lab panel out there.



which includes the following

LINK


Lab markers included in this MALE panel:

Sex Hormones:
Total Testosterone (LC/MS) [uncapped]
Free Testosterone (Equilibrium Ultrafiltration) [uncapped]
Estradiol, Sensitive / Ultrasensitive (LC/MS)
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)
Progesterone
Prolactin
Cortisol

Gonadotropins:
Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)

Neurosteroids:
Pregnenolone
Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA-S)

Thyroid:
TSH
Free T3
Free T4
Thyroglobulin Antibody (tgAb)
Thyroid Peroxidase Antibody (TPOab)
Reverse T3

Growth Hormone/IGF-1:
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I (IGF-1)

Lipids:
ApoA1
ApoB
ApoA1:ApoB Ratio
Total Cholesterol
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
LDL:HDL Ratio
VLDL Cholesterol
Triglycerides
Lipoprotein(a)

Blood:
Complete Blood Count w/ Differential (Hematocrit; hemoglobin; mean corpuscular volume (MCV); mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH); mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC); red cell distribution width (RDW); percentage and absolute differential counts; platelet count (RBC); red cell count; white blood cell count (WBC))
Reticulocyte Count

Metabolic:
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel (albumin:globulin (A:G) ratio; albumin, serum; alkaline phosphatase, serum; bilirubin, total; BUN:creatinine ratio; calcium, serum; carbon dioxide, total; chloride, serum; globulin, total; potassium, serum; protein, total, serum; sodium, serum)

Insulin Sensitivity:
Blood glucose
Fasting Insulin
HbA1c
Uric Acid

Liver Function:
AST
ALT
BUN
Bilirubin, Total
?-Glutamyl Transferase (GGT)

Kidney Function:
Creatinine w/ eGFR
SDMA (Symmetric Dimethylarginine)

Vitamins:
Vitamin D, 25-OHD (25-Hydroxy)
Vitamin B12
VItamin B9 (Folate) / Folic Acid
Magnesium, RBC

Iron Panel:
Iron
Transferrin Saturation / Iron Saturation
TIBC
UIBC
Ferritin

Inflammatory Markers:
C-Reactive Protein, High Sensitivity (hsCRP)

Heart Health:
ADMA (Asymmetric Dimethylarginine)
Homocyst(e)ine
Trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO)
Fibrinogen (Factor I) Activity

Tumor Markers:
Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA)

Urinalysis:
Complete Urinalysis (color; appearance; specific gravity; pH; protein; glucose; occult blood; ketones; leukocyte esterase; nitrite; bilirubin; urobilinogen; microscopic examination of urine sediment)
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68513 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 8:14 pm to
I’m in the same boat,
I’m 42
My test levels were 240
I lift 2-4 times per week plus 2-4 days a week of jiu jitsu

I just haven’t had as much motivation to train jiu jitsu over the past 3-4 months plus my body is taking to recover. Sex drive I don’t have a problem with however. I was also averaging 5/6 hours of sleep at best.

I finally decided to do trt
Not sure if I should do glp-1 and bpc-157

I’m 5’10, 215 and have horrible sugar cravings at night only
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 7:17 am
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
2203 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:18 am to
You cant just take a snapshot of your T levels and make a judgement.

All that said, I think you are doing too much. Your body is probably in too much of a stressed state with not enough rest. Id try cutting out the running and replace it with weighed walks or incline walking.

The workouts, id go down to 3x/week and go full body. Id remove exercises and sets until you start feeling better during workouts. Find your sweet spot of work. You should shoot for the satisfied feeling, not the broken down feeling after lifts. Leave a little in the tank...you can always add more later if your body can handle it.

quote:

I get really tired the afternoons after exercising and I’m zonked the next day. After squats or deadlifts, I’ll be irritable, kind of depressed. Just want to lay around not because of soreness but because of being drained of life.


This is because high intensity complex lifts like squats/deads heavily tax your nervous system. Id try sticking to one day of high intensity legs.

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I binge sugar almost every day. It’s a problem that probably needs a therapist to address.


Some of us have the same struggle. I have to occasionally do a long fast to reset. The more sugar I eat, the hungrier I am and the more I want. What works for me is a simple treat. Either 1 banana or one soft serve ice cream from Mcdonalds or DQ. If you can build up the discipline, add in one cheat day. For me its Cracker Barrel Pancakes on Saturday. The rest of the week for me is usually bacon, eggs, steak and a banana or soft serve.

In all honesty, you are already doing better than most of the population
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68513 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 12:43 pm to
I was tested once in my early 30’s while I was in the Army, they were “normal” but at the minimal normal level

And I was tested about 2 years ago, low levels through bloodwork by the VA, they recommend an MRI for my brain to rule out a tumor, and still didn’t recommend testosterone despite me being a 100% disabled veteran
Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
5899 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

StringedInstruments


I've been in the same boat as you going on about 18 months
42 y/o
6'3"
195

I workout 3 days a week, and am in decent shape. I carry extra weight in my lovehandles and I hate it. I am the same with sweets as well. I eat well for B/L/D, but every few weeks I go crazy on sugar around 8 pm.

I find myself tired all the time. I usually workout 3 days a week after work and it is getting harder and harder to find motivation. I'm sore after every workout- almost like I am out of shape.

Sex is the same way you described. I know I like it, I can get it up anytime, but I am never "horny" anymore.

I went and got full labs done last summer and my Total Test was 600, and Free Test was 6.1. The total number is great but the free is showing a little lower than normal. My PCP didn't seem to think anything was wrong, but here I am almost a year later and feel the same way. I was expecting my total T to be a lot lower.

I ran a half marathon in Jan 2023 and entertained the idea of training for it again last fall. I ran for about 2 weeks before I gave it up. I just didn't have the "want to".
All of that being said, I haven't done anything to change it, other than hope the feeling goes away. I attribute it to getting older, but man it seems like something more than that.

Just wanted you to know you're not alone.
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 1:58 pm
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
3730 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

For me its Cracker Barrel Pancakes on Saturday.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18512 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:39 am to
Update:

Urologist was quick to suggest TRT. I felt like it was a “no bullshite” kind of appointment. He said if you’ve got low T and symptoms, you can go on TRT. He doesn’t recommend any other treatments like clomid.

He ran bloodwork to make sure it was low enough for insurance and it actually went down.

My test was 241. This was at 9am.

I have to admit I’m terrified of going on TRT. I have pretty good hair that I don’t want to lose. I have a decent set of balls that I don’t want to shrink. I don’t want to set myself up for future issues. I’ve always been intentional with my own health. I workout. I eat nutritious food. I don’t drink or smoke and never really have.

My only issue has been binge eating sweets, which I just can’t seem to kick.

I asked the nurse if I could take a few months to try to raise it naturally and she supported it. She said taking TRT is definitely not something to take lightly, which only intensified my fears.

But I know I’ll frick it all up. Keep bingeing sweets because I have undiagnosed adhd. Not sleep well from the bingeing. Struggle to complete workouts because I’m tired, bloated, have heartburn, in pain because I can’t recover due to low T.

Sucks, men.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31621 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:18 am to
quote:

I have to admit I’m terrified of going on TRT.


dont be, will be life changing for you. suggestion is multiple small shots subq per week. very small amounts each shot.


quote:

I have pretty good hair that I don’t want to lose.


would suggest ordering Finasteride to start with the trt to prevent

quote:

I have a decent set of balls that I don’t want to shrink


my question is why? they are useless and it makes your dick look and feel bigger to the wife

but if you are scared of that, get HCG. prolly best place to do that is QSC as its expensive AF even with insurance

quote:

I don’t want to set myself up for future issues. I’ve always been intentional with my own health. I workout. I eat nutritious food. I don’t drink or smoke and never really have.



rememeber, you are not going on a steroid cycle, you are using a bio-identical hormone to bring your levels up to where they should be for your age

quote:

I asked the nurse if I could take a few months to try to raise it naturally and she supported it. She said taking TRT is definitely not something to take lightly, which only intensified my fears.

you can try this but prolly wont help too much at your levels. if you were like 400 i would say go for it.

but you can try boron at 15mg every morning, and either dhea or sustain alpha. dunno how much it will help though.

she said its not something to take lightly as its likely a life long decision. that is all. side effects are very very unlikely.

quote:

But I know I’ll frick it all up. Keep bingeing sweets because I have undiagnosed adhd. Not sleep well from the bingeing. Struggle to complete workouts because I’m tired, bloated, have heartburn, in pain because I can’t recover due to low T.

Sucks, men.


not nearly as big of a deal as you are making it out to be promise.

can it suck after years...yep. but the first year is like .......wtf have i been missing. its a god send from an energy standpoint alone.


one of the biggest things is you need to add muscle. you are undermuscled at current weight and BF%. need to really focus on lots of whole food protein sources, add some potatoes and rice as carb source and stay within the calorie limit. if that means eating leaner cuts to allow for some sweats like you prefer, so be it. but you have to get stronger and add some muscle.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 10:21 am
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7147 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

But I know I’ll frick it all up. Keep bingeing sweets because I have undiagnosed adhd. Not sleep well from the bingeing. Struggle to complete workouts because I’m tired, bloated, have heartburn, in pain because I can’t recover due to low T.


Piggybacking on what lsu777 told you: you need to just settle down and get a grip on this. The main thing you need to focus on is diet. You need to be eating protein, healthy fats, and if you want to some carbs as well. Diet is 85% of it. I don't care if you train like a madman you will not be able to outwork a bad diet/lifestyle/sleep habits unless you are on a shite ton of anabolics, androgens, hgh, etc. which is not good anyway.

Get some Boron and take 15 to 18 mg in morning. I use 'Life Extension' brand it is super cheap. I am also using their DHEA complete but I do think the Sustain Alpha topical cream/foam is better but much more expensive. You have got to stop binging on the sweets. Something to help you and what I used to put people on is get some siggi's skyr it is only 100 cals a serving and put in two scoops of chocolate or chocolate peanut butter whey isolate with it and stir it up. Tastes like pudding. If that still can't satisfy you put some raw honey in there. Will make it very very 'sweet' to satisfy that craving and will not be too much of a killer. I had people that would eat this twice a day usually at lunch and after dinner it would kill the 'sweets' cravings. You also need to prioritize sleep. Look into getting a zma supplement and taking melatonin with it on empty stomach before bed. You have to have proper diet and proper sleep. There is no way around it naturally. Drink 4 liters of water a day. Get on some creatine - make sure it is creapure brand doesn't matter as long as that is the case. What time do you workout? Get on a clean pre-workout if needed to help with motivation and intensity. There are several things that can help it just has to come down to do you want to have the discipline to do them? If you try this for 45 to 60 days and you still feel like shite then by all means go get on the tRT there is no reason to be doing all the rigt things and still feel like shite and spinning your wheels in the gym not making progress. Most of all you need to have a positive attitude and not worry so much about frivolous shite. There is no reason to be scared or worried about tRT if you have to start using it but you won't know until you exhaust all other options first.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8403 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 6:38 pm to
That's great. I am considering purposely tanking my T to below the levels just to get help. I hate lying, but I've been to 2 docs that didn't even consider low 300s to be low. It's been extremely frustrating.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18512 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 6:19 am to
quote:

That's great. I am considering purposely tanking my T to below the levels just to get help. I hate lying, but I've been to 2 docs that didn't even consider low 300s to be low. It's been extremely frustrating.


I had a GP like that. But I think my urologist communicated why some doctors won’t even bother with T unless it’s below 300: insurance. He said if my T levels were above 300, it would be really difficult to get insurance to cover it even with symptoms.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 6:20 am
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