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re: "Conservatives" agree to new entitlement program costing hundreds of millions per year
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:22 pm to LSUbest
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:22 pm to LSUbest
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If private schools cannot meet the standard within your own state constitution, then they should not siphon off resources either.
If the government doesn't collect the money then they won't have to redistribute the money and some of the thieves in the government will lose their jobs.
Win Win Win
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Go ahead. frick up your private schools, too
At least you admit that the government run schools are fricked up.
The bastards should have fixed the schools if they didn't want an exodus.
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so they can get a piece of the government tit.
Again - quit collecting the taxes and there will be no refunding it - what you call being on the government tit.
It will be a big win if the government can't continue to pocket money for services they aren't providing and they can't force kids to take DIE and LGBTQ classes.
Big win!
Are you an anarchist?
Your post either advocates for zero taxation and zero services.
Or you are a moron. And your reply huffs up some false bravado "win" because you would be closing down a service to 65,000,000 students (and their families) per year.
Congrats on the hypothetical win win win.
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:59 pm to 4cubbies
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Yes it does. Parents aren’t the only people allowed to homeschool a child.
All dont possess a genie-laden bottle to magically manifest this person.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:11 pm to LNCHBOX
Yes. It shifts the $ into private schools. So the public school infrastructure crumbles further into the absyss.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:12 pm to TROLA
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I’ve done the same then. Post your data
We both know you know nothing about charter schools beyond your emotions and feelings, which is why you can’t post one single fact to back up your emotional claims about charter schools.
Since I actually have been researching this topic for years, I’ll throw you a bone.
Report: Federal government wasted millions of dollars on charter schools that never opened
Report: The Department Of Education Has Spent $1 Billion On Charter School Waste And Fraud
Still Asleep at the Wheel: How the federal Charter Schools Program results in a pileup of Fraud and Waste
System Failure: Louisiana’s Broken Charter School Law
Louisiana’s Million-Dollar Charter School Scam
The majority of the charter schools in Louisiana are performing poorly. Of the 138 charter schools with Department of Education performance scores listed last year, 85 were rated D or F.
Louisiana charter schools not enrolling enough students from low-income families, audit shows
How Many More Years of a Failed Reform Must Orleans Parish Endure?
Charter school improperly charging fees despite state law, taxpayer funding, audit says
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:34 pm to 4cubbies
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Report: Federal government wasted millions of dollars on charter schools that never opened
Okay. How does this waste compare to the waste in public non-charter schools?
In Arizona, charter schools are flourishing.
What costs $2,000 less per student each year and yet outperforms traditional public schools at a rate of 3 to 1?
Answer: Arizona charter schools.
That’s right, the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) at Stanford University has just released its latest analysis of the impact of charter schools on student education across the nation, and the results are exceptional.
CREDO’s new analysis—which accounts for student demographics, income levels, prior academic history, etc., to provide an apples-to-apples comparison—finds that:
The typical charter school student in our national sample had reading and math gains that outpaced their peers in the [traditional public school] they would have otherwise attended….In math, charter school students, on average, advanced their learning by an additional six days in a year’s time, and in reading, added 16 days of learning.
Looking specifically at Arizona, CREDO’s state-by-state analysis finds that Arizona charter schools deliver higher academic growth to students than local district schools do 35% of the time, compared to just 12% who do worse. In other words, Arizona charter schools are nearly three times more likely to deliver superior student learning outcomes relative to their district school peers. (The remaining half of schools post “similar” gains under either system.)
LINK
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:47 pm to David_DJS
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Okay. How does this waste compare to the waste in public non-charter schools?
What’s an acceptable level of waste?
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In Arizona, charter schools are flourishing.
If you say so…
How Do Arizona’s Charter Schools Get Away With Swindling Students and Fleecing Taxpayers?
It's been 25 years since failing governor Fife Symington and a vengeful Legislature foisted upon us a system that was nothing more than a screw-you to public-school teachers and one big, giant (unregulated) loophole through which scammers and scammer/legislators have siphoned off hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars with little or nothing to show for it.
Do you know how many charter schools have come and gone over the past 25 years? Don't feel bad; the State of Arizona doesn't know, either. Do you know how many hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars have been lost to con men and thieves? For that matter, how much of your money has ended up in the pockets of legislators who have used laws they passed to enrich themselves and then used bills they have refused to pass to prevent any oversight of the crooked operation? Nope, we don't know that, either.
Arizona charter school operators agree to pay back $180K spent on sports tickets, personal care
Harvard: Arizona’s Experiment with Charter Schools
Arizona’s schools were ranked 49th worst overall for the last several years and were tied for the highest dropout rate in 2022.
As a result, Arizona is the state with the largest share of students who attend charter schools in the US. Of the 3.1 million students who attend charter schools in the US, 200,000 of them are in Arizona. This surge in charter school enrollment appears to align almost directly with the diminishing quality of the education system in the state. This poses a question: could charter schools primarily contribute to this decline?
ETA: Arizona is literally ranked 50th for education in this country. Dead last. And this is the state you’re using to prove the efficacy of charter schools?
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:01 pm to 4cubbies
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What’s an acceptable level of waste?
That's not the question.
It's hilarious to us the "it's wasteful" argument when criticizing charter schools given public non-charter schools do little more than waste money.
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If you say so…
It wasn't me. You may have not bothered reading what I linked but it was a study done at Stanford and it concluded that charter schools are far more effective and cost efficient than public non-charter schools.
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This surge in charter school enrollment appears to align almost directly with the diminishing quality of the education system in the state. This poses a question: could charter schools primarily contribute to this decline?
You post articles critical of Arizona schools and charter schools that are inconsequential or simply stupid.
Yeah, the state struggles with wave after wave of illegals bringing their kids and burdening our schools. What a shock.
The question raised in what you posted is retarded and indicative of how brain dead those defending public schools are. Explain how schools that are more effective and more efficient than public schools can be driving education results down.
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ETA: Arizona is literally ranked 50th for education in this country. Dead last. And this is the state you’re using to prove the efficacy of charter schools?
Here's something I learned in dealing with the education lobby - ask for the details.
Post the criteria for this ranking that has Arizona #50. Chances are very high that how schools are funded and teachers paid carry the day.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:49 pm to BlackAdam
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Except it doesn't make an entitlement at all. The program is funded by appropriations that are purely discretionary. The expenditure is not mandatory, so the exact opposite of an entitlement.
Funding sources do not make something an entitlement.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:00 pm to David_DJS
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The question raised in what you posted is retarded and indicative of how brain dead those defending public schools are.
I haven’t defended anything. You’re touting a state with the largest enrollment of students in charter schools and is ranked dead last in education as some testimonial to the efficacy of charter schools. Why is the drop out rate so high?
quote:i can’t find the study. The only one I can find is the 2009 study that found charter schools perform worse than traditional public schools.
You may have not bothered reading what I linked but it was a study done at Stanford and it concluded that charter schools are far more effective and cost efficient than public non-charter schools.
I don’t want to trust a random website’s interpretation of the research. Can you link the 2023 report?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:33 am to LSUFanHouston
Condition of the Orleans schools is due to the $2+ billion in fema $ after Katrina.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 8:51 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:42 am to LSUFanHouston
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Please list the sales taxes, property taxes, etc that you pay to the state of louisiana specifically for public schools.
I don’t pay any taxes to the Federal government “specifically for” the military. What is your point? My taxes certainly fund the military. Tax money is mostly fungible.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:51 am to PUB
Meanwhile functional states maintain successful public school programs where even wealthy people send their kids to great schools at zero cost.
Louisiana is a cesspool of mouthbreathing bible thumpers incapable of running anything competently other than police forces, and even that is done through sheer force of financial funding.
Louisiana is a cesspool of mouthbreathing bible thumpers incapable of running anything competently other than police forces, and even that is done through sheer force of financial funding.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:54 am to Damone
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Louisiana is a cesspool of mouthbreathing bible thumpers
So much bigotry and hate from the “tolerant” left. Sad. Which states have the trannies come talk to the kids? Those the functional states you’re referring to?
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 6:56 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:01 am to BBONDS25
Your defense of Louisiana’s decades-long ineptitude in politics, specifically its garbage-level public schools, is…
Durrrr Groomers exist!
Durrrr Groomers exist!
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:06 am to Damone
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Your defense of Louisiana’s decades-long ineptitude in politics, specifically its garbage-level public schools, is…
I made no defense of Louisiana’s public schools. With your reading comprehension, you must be a product of those schools. I simply pointed out your clear bigotry. Then asked which functional states you were referring to. Maybe read a little more slowly next time so you don’t miss the clear points being made.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:16 am to BBONDS25
I see you don’t understand context, that’s okay. Move along, I’m sure there’s another election theft thread that needs defending.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:35 am to LSUFanHouston
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Net new spending. There would be some reduction of state spending because the cost of this entitlement per person is less than the cost of public school per person.
There is also the tax deduction for private school tuition. Ultimately, does this actually add cost? Or is this just the government financing a cost shift? I’m aware that government spending has overhead, but not every program is the same - there is already public outlay for this program (education), it’s not completely unreasonable to assume it will result in some level of cost shift rather than purely new spending.
I think the notion that “conservatives” can’t spend money is pretty ridiculous. If you accept that there is a government, or the need for one, you accept that there is some level of acceptable spending. Getting an actual return on spending is what separates conservative policy from liberal policy which use less precise, more abstract measures of success.
Expanding school options and choice is one of those areas that could be argued to have a return on investment. I’m not necessarily advocating for this bill, just providing commentary on our current political environment. If “conservatives” can’t find any issues/programs worthy of investment, their only political purpose is to stymie more liberal policies, which is a losing proposition. It’s a position that relinquishes control to the other side. Its like playing an entire football game on defense.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:50 am to Turbeauxdog
I wish this was like Heisman fan vote, and I could come back and DV the OP every day
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:13 am to OceanMan
If you are spending money to get people to do what they are already doing (send their kids to private school) then it is a deadweight cost that not improve education outcomes one iota.
Now, some kids, who would have otherwise gone to public school, might see some benefit from this. But that can be done in a much more targeted way.
Now, some kids, who would have otherwise gone to public school, might see some benefit from this. But that can be done in a much more targeted way.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:35 am to OceanMan
[quote]I think the notion that “conservatives” can’t spend money is pretty ridiculous.[/quote
Conservatives are supposed to be for smaller government, not no government.
Governments were formed to improve public welfare.
Somewhere on the way here it was decided to improve public welfare public schools were created to give every child a chance at an education.
Look what had become of the public school system. It is now become everything to a lot of kids. School feeds, clothes, cares, and takes over for absentee parents.
So now tax payers like myself, have to fund public schools and private schools too? There is only so much government that we need, and as a conservative I wsnt that government to be the best it can be, but cresting more and more is not the way to do that. The way to do that is to shrink it, get back to basics and watch it like a hawk.
Conservatives are supposed to be for smaller government, not no government.
Governments were formed to improve public welfare.
Somewhere on the way here it was decided to improve public welfare public schools were created to give every child a chance at an education.
Look what had become of the public school system. It is now become everything to a lot of kids. School feeds, clothes, cares, and takes over for absentee parents.
So now tax payers like myself, have to fund public schools and private schools too? There is only so much government that we need, and as a conservative I wsnt that government to be the best it can be, but cresting more and more is not the way to do that. The way to do that is to shrink it, get back to basics and watch it like a hawk.
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