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re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris
Posted on 4/4/24 at 2:36 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 4/4/24 at 2:36 pm to AwgustaDawg
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If, however, you have an employee whose expenses are more than another employees YOU should be expected by the rest of us to foot those costs entirely out of your revenue
This is fricking retarded. You are saying that someone's salary should be based on their life choices instead of their on job production.
If a 40 year old convicted felon can't get a legitimate job, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the McDonald's franchisee to pay him more because of his own poor choices. It also shouldn't be the responsibility of the taxpayer. It should be his own responsibility and there are consequences for poor life choices. If he can't afford to eat, too fricking bad.
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Posted on 4/4/24 at 2:39 pm to AwgustaDawg
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. If, however, you have an employee whose expenses are more than another employees YOU should be expected by the rest of us to foot those costs entirely out of your revenue.
"Boss, I just had a kid, I am going to need you to pay me more. Thanks"
Thats what youre saying here?
Posted on 4/4/24 at 2:40 pm to BuckyCheese
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I'm curious how he plans on all of these people being employed at a "living wage" as he would like.
Does he want a mandate that I have to hire ten people at a living wage even though I may only need five employees?
Take his position to the end result and it becomes even more ridiculous.
And reeks of communism.
Jesus H fricking Christ...Communism??? Where in the hell did Marx or anyone ever suggest that YOU and I should not be financing the lavish lifestyles of low wage employers? Good god almighty, I know it sounded good in your hear but seriously, no communist ever, in the entire history of communism, ever suggested the basis of a market economy which is EVERYONE PAYS THEIR WAY IN LIFE.
There is no "mandate" of any kind in expecting the few low wage employers who shift part of the burden of their employees production costs onto taxpayers and instead simply pay for their production the same way the VAST majority of employers do.
The real question is WHY are so many people, who would seem pretty normal if you met them on the street and struck up a conversation, perfectly willing to finance another person's lavish lifestyle so there can exist in the world low wage jobs???
Posted on 4/4/24 at 2:48 pm to Dadren
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No it doesn’t. It illustrates the fact that paying people because they simply exist is absurd.
That is absurd UNTIL you consider that, when a person exists, that person has some expenses necessary to continue to exist. Unless I have missed something somewhere those expenses come to that person in one of three ways - labor, crime, the dole. We finance the latter 2 already...low wage employers created a situation where we subsidize the first one, their labor costs.
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All you’re saying is that people want to exist so it’s someone else’s responsibility to guarantee that they can. And you’ve provided no rationale for this position. You’re just repeating the same position.
I am not saying people want to exist, I am saying they do exist. Being a sane adult in the US is all the rationale needed. Again, it is no one's responsibility, it is a simple matter of reality, labor, crime or the dole...take your pick, cause people certainly exist. And again, we pay for the latter 2, and currently we subsidize the first one for low wage employers.
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The fact that people have needs does not explain why it’s someone else’s obligation to meet those needs.
Again there is no obligation. It is merely a matter of economic reality. Again, people do exist. Thats a verifiable fact. They have some cost of living. Thats a verifiable fact. They can cover that cost one of three ways - Labor, crime of the dole. Thats a fact. We already pay for the latter 2. Thats a fact. Low wage employers rely on taxpayers to keep their employees viable. Thats a fact. The only real question is why so many people are all in on helping low wage employers stealing other people's money.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:04 pm to AwgustaDawg
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That is absurd UNTIL you consider that, when a person exists, that person has some expenses necessary to continue to exist. Unless I have missed something somewhere those expenses come to that person in one of three ways - labor, crime, the dole. We finance the latter 2 already...low wage employers created a situation where we subsidize the first one, their labor costs.
So how about instead of simply moving the dole from the government to employers (which solves nothing societally speaking), we do away with it and tell people to actually earn what they need?
It seems to me that people who make, let’s say, “progressive economic arguments” also seem to believe that low-wage earners have zero agency and are incapable of doing any better, and for the life of me I don’t know why that is. You have people coming over here who don’t even speak the frigging language and are boat racing Americans up the economic ladder, and families who’ve been here forever are just “stuck in generational poverty”? I’m sorry, I don’t buy it.
Your posts in this thread basically boil down to a rigid trichotomy of “dole”, “crime” and “wages” with wages being fixed and out of the control of the individual when that’s absolutely not true.
Go earn money. If you’re not earning enough (by your own standard), get better at what you do or do something that pays more. If you are truly unable, we’ll have basic social services to take care of you. If you choose crime, enjoy prison or death.
That’s the solution. Not moving the crutches around the system.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:10 pm to Dadren
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So how about instead of simply moving the dole from the government to employers (which solves nothing societally speaking), we do away with it and tell people to actually earn what they need?
This will never fricking happen. Its more likely we let McDonald's pay employees $2 an hour and have taxpayers foot the rest of their compensation/cost of living than we just let people die with children starve and live homeless.
The only question is what percentage of McDonald's employees financial package do you wanna pay? Currently you are footing 3 billion
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Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:19 pm to Corinthians420
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This will never fricking happen. Its more likely we let McDonald's pay employees $2 an hour and have taxpayers foot the rest of their compensation/cost of living than we just let people die with children starve and live homeless.
The only question is what percentage of McDonald's employees financial package do you wanna pay?
Do you actually know poor/working poor people?
I do and I guarantee you that nobody is going to starve to death if we cut social programs for people who don’t want to work.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:30 pm to BuckyCheese
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illegals around here; Provide housing.
Then they're probably not illegal if they are providing housing. More than likely H2A
Every Latino you see working on a farm didn't sneak across the border
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:30 pm to Dadren
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Do you actually know poor/working poor people?
I do and I guarantee you that nobody is going to starve to death if we cut social programs for people who don’t want to work.
we aren't gonna cut social programs! you are making up a hypothetical third choice that will never happen.
the choice is continue footing the bill as we have been doing, or make fast food restaurants pay a bigger share.
there's no hypothetical third choice where fast food continues to pay the same amount and the government cuts social programs
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:54 pm to AwgustaDawg
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EVERYONE PAYS THEIR WAY IN LIFE.
This is where you are missing your own point. What you're actually saying is that it's an employer's responsibility to pay everyone's way in life.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:56 pm to Corinthians420
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Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments
Perhaps they shouldn't work at fricking McDonald's if they have families to support. That job is not meant to support that lifestyle.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 4:59 pm to Corinthians420
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we aren't gonna cut social programs! you are making up a hypothetical third choice that will never happen.
Why? Because you say so?
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the choice is continue footing the bill as we have been doing, or make fast food restaurants pay a bigger share.
Well since you’re making the rules here, then I’ll go with the less-stupid option of not moving the chess pieces around and pretending like I’ve done something.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Again there is no obligation. It is merely a matter of economic reality. Again, people do exist. Thats a verifiable fact. They have some cost of living. Thats a verifiable fact. They can cover that cost one of three ways - Labor, crime of the dole. Thats a fact. We already pay for the latter 2. Thats a fact. Low wage employers rely on taxpayers to keep their employees viable. Thats a fact. The only real question is why so many people are all in on helping low wage employers stealing other people's money.
You repeat this ad nauseam without ever actually addressing the numerous gaping holes in this theory. Saying it over and over again doesn't make your point correct. You've flat out ignored multiple scenarios and questions I have asked you. I'm gonna have the fark board make a meme of Samuel L Jackson "SAY 'ON THE DOLE' AGAIN, MFer" I'm that tired of reading it.
Not everyone gets to work 40 hours a week max to make ends meet. Not everyone gets to have a stay at home wife. Sorry you're gonna have to work OT for a while since you couldn't hack it as a programmer and don't own a business. Your problems are your own, bud, Nobody else has a responsibility to fix them or change them but you.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:14 pm to stuckintexas
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Nobody else has a responsibility to fix them
But we all do. The government takes money out of my check every week to give to fast food employees
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:16 pm to Corinthians420
quote:. This is SUCH a bullshite argument because it assumes that these employees would be gainfully employed if not for the fast food industry holding them captive. Which is a self defeating argument because if that was the case, they wouldn’t be working in the fast food industry.
Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:25 pm to Corinthians420
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But we all do. The government takes money out of my check every week to give to fast food employees
I have a pretty good feeling we're all paying a lot less in those taxes than we would from the inflation caused by this idiotic method.
Your landlord knows your boss is gonna cover your rent? Rent just went up.
Gas stations know your boss is paying for your gas? Gas just went up. Your boss is paying for your car note? Vehicles just went up. Car needs to be fixed? That mechanic is charging more because your boss is paying for it.
Wal-Mart knows your boss is buying your groceries? Groceries just went up. They have to, because WM is now paying for their own employees' groceries.
Need an electrician or a plumber to fix something at your house? That service call just went up. The material to fix that thing costs more now. The supply house or Home Depot are having to pay for their employees houses, vehicles, groceries, and health care in full.
Look at the real-time example we have of the fast food restaurants in Cali bumping pay up to $20/hr minimum. Now picture that en masse in every single aspect of your life. It's the inflation we're already dealing with on steroids. It's shortsighted and absolutely unrealistic.
I think any welfare recipients should have to pass a drug test, and there should be a cap on amount/duration. Stop incentivizing shite like having single mother homes pumping out kids for tax credits. Make people responsible for their own life instead of moving off the govt tit to an employers tit.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:32 pm to stuckintexas
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:37 pm to stuckintexas
Way too many words for the economically illiterate dumbass to understand.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:37 pm to stuckintexas
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I have a pretty good feeling we're all paying a lot less in those taxes than we would from the inflation caused by this idiotic method. Your landlord knows your boss is gonna cover your rent? Rent just went up. Gas stations know your boss is paying for your gas? Gas just went up. Your boss is paying for your car note? Vehicles just went up. Car needs to be fixed? That mechanic is charging more because your boss is paying for it. Wal-Mart knows your boss is buying your groceries? Groceries just went up. They have to, because WM is now paying for their own employees' groceries. Need an electrician or a plumber to fix something at your house? That service call just went up. The material to fix that thing costs more now. The supply house or Home Depot are having to pay for their employees houses, vehicles, groceries, and health care in full. Look at the real-time example we have of the fast food restaurants in Cali bumping pay up to $20/hr minimum. Now picture that en masse in every single aspect of your life. It's the inflation we're already dealing with on steroids. It's shortsighted and absolutely unrealistic. I think any welfare recipients should have to pass a drug test, and there should be a cap on amount/duration. Stop incentivizing shite like having single mother homes pumping out kids for tax credits. Make people responsible for their own life instead of moving off the govt tit to an employers tit.
You’d be 100% correct IF low wage employees did not currently pay rent. You’d be right if we just handed out money left and right like we did from 2020 to 2022. Where’d your wrong is there is no increase in the amount of money in the economy, the only difference is whose wallet it comes out of. Right now, in the case of low wage employers the money comes out of his wallet and yours. In my scenario none of it would come out of yours unless you are a customer.
The point you’re missing or discounting is low wage employees make their nut now…through wages and the dole. I’m only saying we should require those who pay the wages to pay whatever the wages and the dole is….its only a matter of whose wallet it comes from. How on earth, if it takes $30k a year to live, say, could it make any difference to inflation whether that $30k comes from one wallet or 2? It’s still $30k. The cost of survival is inherent, it’s just a matter of which wallet it comes from.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:42 pm to stuckintexas
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You repeat this ad nauseam without ever actually addressing the numerous gaping holes in this theory. Saying it over and over again doesn't make your point correct. You've flat out ignored multiple scenarios and questions I have asked you. I'm gonna have the fark board make a meme of Samuel L Jackson "SAY 'ON THE DOLE' AGAIN, MFer" I'm that tired of reading it. Not everyone gets to work 40 hours a week max to make ends meet. Not everyone gets to have a stay at home wife. Sorry you're gonna have to work OT for a while since you couldn't hack it as a programmer and don't own a business. Your problems are your own, bud, Nobody else has a responsibility to fix them or change them but you.
DOLE motherfricker.
That out of the way you have completely missed the point. It has nothing at all to do with any of what you posted. People either make their nut working, through crime, on on the dole. Low wage workers and employers alike are on the dole. If you’re OK with that because you like the idea of people being on the dole I get it. I’ll never understand it but you do you.
And, DOLE mothefricker
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