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re: Should illegals have 2a and constitutional rights?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Brother, this is your argument. James Madison believed in my argument.
Since you probably don't know who he is, he wrote the Constitution.
Not at all. As poi Ted out by BCreed1, the higher courts went back and used text feom the founding fathers...etc.
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Show me in the constitution where visitors cant possess guns
You have been shown. In 2 threads.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:23 pm to Jjdoc
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Lol. Now turning to VOX!!!
Not lefty at all!
A lot has gone over your head, not shockingly.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:24 pm to Jjdoc
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You have been shown. In 2 threads.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:24 pm to Jjdoc
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the higher courts went back and used text feom the founding fathers...etc.
No they didn't.
Also, why have you refused to answer these simple questions?
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What is "Communist" about desiring to limit government for more people?
You think Communism relies on a limited government?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:25 pm to Northshore Aggie
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but this is what YOU guys are saying
No we are not. We are saying that high courts have ruled over 8 times using the founding fathers own words and actual law that excludes non citizens.
Therefore arguing that all people in the world have a right to arm themselves illegally with the US is indeed saying the founding fathers and the constitution is out dated for today's world.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No significant rulings since Bruen
Wrong. 8 at the higher court level.... one was in 2022 by the 11th. But you know this.
United States vs Jimenez-Shilon.
He lived in the USA for decades.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the higher courts went back and used text feom the founding fathers...etc.
No they didn't.
They did:
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Judge Newsom relies entirely on a “text and history” approach. The “text” part of this analysis looks at the Second Amendment itself, and in this case, just one word: “people.” The opinion then delves into the question of whether noncitizens or foreigners fell within the Founding era’s public meaning of “the people,”.
Quoting a wide array of Founding-era documents and contemporary scholarship, the opinion concludes that “the people” included many noncitizens in most sections of the Constitution, but not when it is used in the Second Amendment, because the Amendment “codified” pre-existing common law rights, which excluded most noncitizens.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:36 pm to Jjdoc
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No we are not. We are saying that high courts have ruled over 8 times using the founding fathers own words and actual law that excludes non citizens.
Where does it make it illegal? What about those here seeking amnesty?
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is where we are as a country. We have people like you, who will fight harder to preserve the 2A rights of criminal illegals than you ever have or would for American citizens, and others who agree with you. If people like you were alive in the early 1800's, you would have been working to make sure that nobody infringed on the right of the British invaders to possess firearms, so they had a fair opportunity to destroy this country.
People want to talk about our Founding Fathers and what they thought. Imagine any of them fretting for one second over whether anyone was denying the invading Brits their Constitutional rights.
People want to talk about our Founding Fathers and what they thought. Imagine any of them fretting for one second over whether anyone was denying the invading Brits their Constitutional rights.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:42 pm to momentoftruth87
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illegals
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rights
You're not even trying bro
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:42 pm to Jjdoc
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because the Amendment “codified” pre-existing common law rights, which excluded most noncitizens.
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the higher courts went back and used text feom the founding fathers
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Where does it make it illegal?
The friggin law.
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What about those here seeking amnesty?
Are they citizens? No. So that's your answer
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:46 pm to momentoftruth87
“I agree. There should be no illegals entering let alone 30 million plus.”
Imagine 300 Tiger Stadiums worth of people.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Laughing doesn't help you. You have been proven wrong. You keep showing your true self.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:48 pm to Jjdoc
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Laughing doesn't help you.
You're posting incoherently so a rational response isn't possible.
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You keep showing your true self.
A promoter of freedom and protecting rights against an oppressive government.
Guilty as charged.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:49 pm to Jjdoc
We’re up to 6 people now who hate us and favor illegals 
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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visitors
Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:50 pm to Don Quixote
Vacationers, foreigners who hunt here, etc
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