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re: Bobby Kennedy explains U.S. history re: Russian & Ukraine why Putin has right to be angry
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:13 pm to cajunangelle
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:13 pm to cajunangelle
Not entirely accurate. We told Gorbachev that we wouldn’t expand one inch to the east. However, at this point it was still the USSR (not Russia). Our intent was that the USSR was crumbling and we didn’t want NATO expansion to interfere with that domestic pressure.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 4:13 pm
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:17 pm to bigblake
Give some weight to Putin. This isn’t accurate that it was limited in scope to the USSR days. Evidently, the Bushes and Barry O told Putin otherwise.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:20 pm to bigblake
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Joshua Shifrinson writes that analysts have long understood that states do not need formal agreements when determining expectations of future political actions, and also refers to the statements of US Secretary of State John Kerry, who recognized that even "legally non-binding" agreements constitute a necessary tool of international politics[41] and the practice of the Cold War, when informal agreements between the USSR and the USA defined the contours of the European security system (1950s and 1960s), and during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, they played a significant role in preventing a nuclear war between the USSR and the United States.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:52 pm to bigblake
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Not entirely accurate. We told Gorbachev that we wouldn’t expand one inch to the east. However, at this point it was still the USSR (not Russia). Our intent was that the USSR was crumbling and we didn’t want NATO expansion to interfere with that domestic pressure.
Please tell me that you don't believe your words!!! What a fricking dishonest interpretation!!
Gorbachev took America at it's word..... which was shite! Russia reacted reasonably to invade Ukraine to protect its borders.
Just use your fricking brain! America reacted the same way when Russia was setting up missiles in Cuba!!!!!
Why is it ok for America (NATO proxy) to set up missiles on Russias border but Russia couldn't do it in Cuba?? The epitome of hypocrisy!
America is not the same country we used to pledge allegiance to in grade school. That's the very reason we have lost international respect.
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The documents show that Gorbachev agreed to German unification in NATO as the result of this cascade of assurances, and on the basis of his own analysis that the future of the Soviet Union depended on its integration into Europe, for which Germany would be the decisive actor. He and most of his allies believed that some version of the common European home was still possible and would develop alongside the transformation of NATO to lead to a more inclusive and integrated European space, that the post-Cold War settlement would take account of the Soviet security interests. The alliance with Germany would not only overcome the Cold War but also turn on its head the legacy of the Great Patriotic War.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:03 pm to bigblake
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Not entirely accurate. We told Gorbachev that we wouldn’t expand one inch to the east. However, at this point it was still the USSR (not Russia). Our intent was that the USSR was crumbling and we didn’t want NATO expansion to interfere with that domestic pressure.
Understood. However, with the fall of the Evil Empire of the Communists, it appears that non-Commie Russia wanted to be friends and cooperate economically and militarily with the west.
We apparently said "frick off. You are still our enemy because we need a boogieman to keep the money flowing."
You are ok with that?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:03 am to bigblake
quote:Ah, so that makes it right?
Not entirely accurate. We told Gorbachev that we wouldn’t expand one inch to the east. However, at this point it was still the USSR (not Russia).
John Edwards promised his wife he'd never have an affair. However, at this point she was thinner, more attractive (and didn't have cancer).
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