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re: Madison Brooks case cell phone data now in defense’s hands

Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:14 pm to
Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:14 pm to
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Maybe the OT attorneys can chime in. Is character assassination as a defense technique just an accepted part of trials and viewed as an attorney defending their client to the best of their ability, or is it sort of frowned upon even though everyone knows it does happen?


I can't speak for Louisiana specifically, but in both the federal and Oklahoman rules of evidence, there is a specific provision above and beyond usual requirements of relevance called the "rape shield" law that limits what evidence can be taken in sex crimes with respect to past history and consent, even if it would otherwise be considered relevant. If X says Y raped her and Y's defense is that X consented, Y can't present evidence that X slept with A, B, C, and D to try to prove X is a slut who's lying about being raped, or what have you.

This is even assuming that consent is an issue in the case, which doesn't even sound possible if her BAC is as high as was reported. If she legally couldn't consent then past episodes of consensual sex wouldn't even be relevant in the first place, so there wouldn't even be a need for a rape shield law to keep that out... because it wouldn't be relevant.

Plus, most attorneys would hash all this out in lengthy pretrial motions and argument before it ever reached a jury. It's risky (and IMO foolish) to leave crucial evidentiary matters unsettled before trial, because what if your entire defense is consent and you don't learn until day 3 of trial that you can't get the evidence of consent in? Most of the time this shite is litigated well before it ever sees a jury.

Other posters have suggested that there were apparent discrepancies between what the various co-defendants said about what happened, and that the cell phone data, which includes cell phone data from the co-defendants, might be helpful in figuring out exactly who said what, and what defenses might be viable as a result. That sounds plausible enough to me (obviously I am not involved in the case, but that is very normal procedure).
Posted by Scuttle But
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:19 pm to
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This is even assuming that consent is an issue in the case, which doesn't even sound possible if her BAC is as high as was reported. If she legally couldn't consent then past episodes of consensual sex wouldn't even be relevant in the first place, so there wouldn't even be a need for a rape shield law to keep that out... because it wouldn't be relevant.


Serious question, how are dudes supposed to know if a chick is legally past whatever limit there is for consent. I mean there are the obvious signs like can't walk straight or put a sentence together but I'd think a good lawyer could argue that those are pretty subjective standards that the average citizen isn't trained to quantify.
Posted by RFK
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:09 pm to
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If she legally couldn't consent
That’s the million dollar question that will have to be decided by the jury, but that doesn’t turn solely on a BAC. There is no BAC level where someone magically crosses into the “can’t consent” arena.

BAC can be helpful circumstantial evidence, but expect the defense to have an expert forensic toxicologist who will testify to the medical fact that alcohol affects people differently, and while person X would be impaired beyond reason with a certain BAC, person Y might not have the same issues. Alcohol also affects the same person differently depending on the specific situation.

So you have a battle of the experts, but both will have to agree that, medically speaking, she still could have acted in a way that reasonably led the men to believe she was consenting.

The worst part is she is not here to give testimony to refute this.
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