- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Legit Question---Why is the front office afraid of a rebuild?
Posted on 11/9/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 11/9/23 at 12:56 pm
Under the current situation the Saints keep pushing money into the future and while the cap grows each year the Saints never do get healthy. The Saints are always behind others in basically building the last 5-7 players on the roster because of cap issues.
They are content to contend for the NFC South with no real chance of making it either past the first playoff game or any further. I guess this is go enough for them.
The only thing I could point to is that they could not start Allen out behind the 8 ball with a rebuild and losing record, but they also wanted to come out from the Payton Shadow.
In hindsight the thing to do would have been to hire Allen, but then go to the media and the fans and say Allen was hired to offer stability to the franchise as we prepare to go through a rebuild.
They are content to contend for the NFC South with no real chance of making it either past the first playoff game or any further. I guess this is go enough for them.
The only thing I could point to is that they could not start Allen out behind the 8 ball with a rebuild and losing record, but they also wanted to come out from the Payton Shadow.
In hindsight the thing to do would have been to hire Allen, but then go to the media and the fans and say Allen was hired to offer stability to the franchise as we prepare to go through a rebuild.
17
Posted on 11/9/23 at 12:58 pm to tigerterrace
Some people, even really smart and successful people get too emotionally invested in what was and lose sight on what's to come. The Saints organization felt so close to a title for a lot of the Payton/Brees years and haven't been able to face that fact that that window has closed. You're not in win now mode anymore. You need to be in build for the future mode but they keep trying to hang onto the past. They still obviously feel that they're "just a few pieces away" but the reality is that you're just an aged, great value version of what you were.
This post was edited on 11/9/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 11/9/23 at 1:06 pm to tigerterrace
Compete while you rebuild
Posted on 11/9/23 at 1:06 pm to tigerterrace
quote:
In hindsight the thing to do would have been to hire Allen, but then go to the media and the fans and say Allen was hired to offer stability to the franchise as we prepare to go through a rebuild.
You can't offer stability AND rebuild. Allen was hired to try to keep a good thing going. He offers zero stability if he isn't allowed to keep things (particularly on the defensive side) going as they were.
If a rebuild was the plan, they would have hired a coach from outside the organization and most likely someone like Doug Pedersen who has run a good team before.
Its fair to say why didn't they rebuild. But you have to realize that the hire of DA was specifically to try not to rebuild.
This post was edited on 11/9/23 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/9/23 at 1:09 pm to tigerterrace
There's no reason to guarantee a shitty 3-5 years when your division is currently terrible and you have potential to host a playoff game/win 3 games to make the super bowl. If we were in the AFC North the rebuild would have already started. You people that want to tank while we are winning the division are legit fricking retarded.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 1:15 pm to tigerterrace
do you want to be Cleveland?
Posted on 11/9/23 at 1:26 pm to tigerterrace
Complacency. They feel zero pressure from the fanbase. Most saints fans are content on getting drunk and painting their face. If we are lucky enough to win its just an added bonus.
Look at Philly. They are the best team in the NFC and they get booed every other week if they have one bad drive.
Same goes for lsu fans.. They have tasted alot more success, they identify with being winners, and hold the program to a much higher standard. They will hang a 19 year old kid out to dry if he has one bad game. Hell they were ready to burn Jayden Daniels at the stake at the beginning of the year and he turned out to be a heisman caliber QB. Michael Thomas takes off two years for no reason and yall welcome him back with open arms and talk about how great of a leader he is.
You fools are still convinced that Derek Carr is a championship caliber QB and that we got him for a good price. The best is all the silver linings yall will throw around after terrible performances. We are currently 5-4 and our opponents are a combined 28-47! But hey we may still lose out in the first round of the playoffs!!! Dont worry about that $70M in negative cap next year, Loomis always finds a way !!!
Look at Philly. They are the best team in the NFC and they get booed every other week if they have one bad drive.
Same goes for lsu fans.. They have tasted alot more success, they identify with being winners, and hold the program to a much higher standard. They will hang a 19 year old kid out to dry if he has one bad game. Hell they were ready to burn Jayden Daniels at the stake at the beginning of the year and he turned out to be a heisman caliber QB. Michael Thomas takes off two years for no reason and yall welcome him back with open arms and talk about how great of a leader he is.
You fools are still convinced that Derek Carr is a championship caliber QB and that we got him for a good price. The best is all the silver linings yall will throw around after terrible performances. We are currently 5-4 and our opponents are a combined 28-47! But hey we may still lose out in the first round of the playoffs!!! Dont worry about that $70M in negative cap next year, Loomis always finds a way !!!
Posted on 11/9/23 at 1:56 pm to tigerterrace
Because no one is there to hold them accountable or fire them.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 2:05 pm to tigerterrace
Not afraid at all I think.
Stability and profits rules the day.
Ownership will change one day and things will change for better or worse.
Stability and profits rules the day.
Ownership will change one day and things will change for better or worse.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 5:43 pm to tigerterrace
Biggest reason may be that to start a rebuild you have to admit that you were wrong and we’re not 1-2 players away from being a SB team. And to top it off, the front office put the team in such a shitty spot with these contracts that they really can’t start a rebuild because it’ll probably take a few years. Too many bad years, and heads start rolling; which now enters the part of the conversation where they’d need to stop putting their needs (keeping their cushy jobs) over the team.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 7:31 pm to tigerterrace
No need to rebuild.....ever. that's what bottom dweller losers do.
The Jets and browns have been rebuilding for 30 years. Deciding to "rebuild" offers no guarantees. They pile up high draft pics and still suck
No thanks
The Jets and browns have been rebuilding for 30 years. Deciding to "rebuild" offers no guarantees. They pile up high draft pics and still suck
No thanks
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:39 am to tigerterrace
First in division and some of y’all want a rebuild lol, that’s funny
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:52 am to tigerterrace
3 reasons
1) committed money
2) over confidence in salary cap manipulation
3) rudderless ownership
1) committed money
2) over confidence in salary cap manipulation
3) rudderless ownership
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:07 am to tigerterrace
That requires thoughts and planning.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:09 pm to tigerterrace
Because the owner is just cashing checks. She isn't a football person. Her husband left her the franchise. Look how bad the Lions were for so many years with the wife running that franchise. Loomis and Lauscha seem to be cemented into their positions with no accountability or fear of being fired.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:20 pm to tigerterrace
The rumor I've always heard is its about economics.
Benson and Loomis supposedly feel that to make the profit needed they have to have a competitive team. They think a multi year rebuild would tank the bank account.
It doesn't make sense to me that any NFL team worries about making a profit, considering TV revenue, but I've heard multiple sources say for the Saints to stay in positive cash they must have a competitive team. Maybe that's the reality of being a small market team in the NFL.
Personally, as a fan there is no reason to tank. They have had chances to win a weak division and will continue to do so.
Benson and Loomis supposedly feel that to make the profit needed they have to have a competitive team. They think a multi year rebuild would tank the bank account.
It doesn't make sense to me that any NFL team worries about making a profit, considering TV revenue, but I've heard multiple sources say for the Saints to stay in positive cash they must have a competitive team. Maybe that's the reality of being a small market team in the NFL.
Personally, as a fan there is no reason to tank. They have had chances to win a weak division and will continue to do so.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:17 pm to tigerterrace
Because in the NFL rebuilds are for suckers?
People act like getting rid of talent you already have and striving for a crappy W-L record to get somewhat higher draft picks is a strategy that actually works. I really think it has something to do with the widespread prevalence of the gambling culture now that sports gambling has been embraced by the league and is no longer just something your degenerate uncle does with the bookie at the corner bar. Meaning that, like gamblers, lots of fans now have no problem convincing themselves that a "system" or a "plan" is THE key to success whether it plays out to work more often than fail or not.
All those teams that tear everything down to rebuild, then find themselves in three or four seasons tearing down to rebuild again? They just don't "do it right". I mean, the simple fact that there are more franchises that wallow in non relevance with occasional peaks of mediocrity while there are others that remain relevant for decades without ever charting a really crappy record should illustrate that the "you need to suck to get better" idea is a fallacy.
The only "advantage" the shitty record ensures is a draft pick in a little higher position. Go back and check how many of even first round picks become "stars" or even just above-average contributors as opposed to JAGs (or worse). Not encouraging. I've posted that a deep-dive piece I read before the season showed that when comparing two players of the same position (say, the first WR taken and the next WR selected in the same draft) even when the second guy is taken a half round later, the first player selected DOES end up outperforming the second...exactly 52% of the time. HUGE advantage to having that crappy record and earlier pick, right?
The simple truth is that the path to consistent relevance isn't some "trick" like dumping all of your talent to gamble on that guaranteeing you all fresh new talent. It's having a front office that's competent and confident enough to consistently identify and correctly value and retain the talent currently on the roster, pare away the insufficiently effective or over priced, and target and acquire replacement upgrades via free agency while fleshing out the roster's depth and adding (hopefully) future starters.
Again...rebuilds/roster teardowns are for suckers.
People act like getting rid of talent you already have and striving for a crappy W-L record to get somewhat higher draft picks is a strategy that actually works. I really think it has something to do with the widespread prevalence of the gambling culture now that sports gambling has been embraced by the league and is no longer just something your degenerate uncle does with the bookie at the corner bar. Meaning that, like gamblers, lots of fans now have no problem convincing themselves that a "system" or a "plan" is THE key to success whether it plays out to work more often than fail or not.
All those teams that tear everything down to rebuild, then find themselves in three or four seasons tearing down to rebuild again? They just don't "do it right". I mean, the simple fact that there are more franchises that wallow in non relevance with occasional peaks of mediocrity while there are others that remain relevant for decades without ever charting a really crappy record should illustrate that the "you need to suck to get better" idea is a fallacy.
The only "advantage" the shitty record ensures is a draft pick in a little higher position. Go back and check how many of even first round picks become "stars" or even just above-average contributors as opposed to JAGs (or worse). Not encouraging. I've posted that a deep-dive piece I read before the season showed that when comparing two players of the same position (say, the first WR taken and the next WR selected in the same draft) even when the second guy is taken a half round later, the first player selected DOES end up outperforming the second...exactly 52% of the time. HUGE advantage to having that crappy record and earlier pick, right?
The simple truth is that the path to consistent relevance isn't some "trick" like dumping all of your talent to gamble on that guaranteeing you all fresh new talent. It's having a front office that's competent and confident enough to consistently identify and correctly value and retain the talent currently on the roster, pare away the insufficiently effective or over priced, and target and acquire replacement upgrades via free agency while fleshing out the roster's depth and adding (hopefully) future starters.
Again...rebuilds/roster teardowns are for suckers.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 2:25 pm to tigerterrace
Because they can't let go of the past. Sometimes people feel moving on is a sign of failure.
Page 1 of 1
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News