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PMAC question
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:11 pm
Legit question: what is so terribly wrong with it that it needs to be demolished and rebuilt?
Yes, I’ve been in it recently.
Yes, I’ve been in it recently.
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:13 pm to TigerWatch
South Alabama's rec center is better than the Pmac
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:15 pm to TigerWatch
The honest answer is it’s perfectly fine. Field good teams and it’ll be filled.
All it needs is better concessions.
All it needs is better concessions.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:32 pm to TigerWatch
quote:
what is so terribly wrong with it
The student section is in the wrong place
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:44 pm to TigerWatch
quote:
Legit question: what is so terribly wrong with it that it needs to be demolished and rebuilt?
It eats up prime campus real estate. Build a center by the river. Better purpose the land for tailgating
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:50 pm to TigerWatch
quote:
Legit question: what is so terribly wrong with it that it needs to be demolished and rebuilt?
You can sink millions repeatedly over the next 30 years renovating it, or build something state of the art that will stand the test of time in a modern era.
That simple. Problem is the prime location the PMAC sits on is where you want the replacement so that makes things complicated.
Otherwise it would have been built 7 years ago.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:30 pm to TigerWatch
Need more space to accommodate the teams. Men and women should have their own separate practice arenas. Arguably, volleyball should have their own as well. It wouldn't take much to build those new practice facilities.
LSU loves the idea of keeping all sporting events within the confines of the campus. That change started with the new Alex Box. Then it happened to tennis.
A new basketball stadium that could function for other events outside of basketball/gymnastics/volleyball by hosting concerts and other large events would be great, but you would need to find the money and space.
Minimum price tag is $200 million. Texas just did it recently and it looks great. Unfortunately, you would need to build off campus.
Track and swimming are going to eventually leave Bernie Moore/Carl Maddox/Natatorium and probably take over some of the old LSU golf course (which golf doesn't use either - plays at U Club) and I imagine those areas would accommodate new parking lots and practice facilities. A new outdoor track will run for no more than $20 million. Indoor might bump that up a bit more because if we want a hydraulic track, it would be a massive uptick in price. I have no clue what swimming facilities would cost.
Carl Maddox can easily convert to basketball/volleyball for whoever they want. They already have offices for T&F and it would be a simple exchange of keys, new flooring, and eventually converting the cheer practice room to a weight room. I'm speculating a lot on what exactly Carl Maddox will be turning into, but I know for a fact that T&F will not be using that facility in the next couple of years.
LSU loves the idea of keeping all sporting events within the confines of the campus. That change started with the new Alex Box. Then it happened to tennis.
A new basketball stadium that could function for other events outside of basketball/gymnastics/volleyball by hosting concerts and other large events would be great, but you would need to find the money and space.
Minimum price tag is $200 million. Texas just did it recently and it looks great. Unfortunately, you would need to build off campus.
Track and swimming are going to eventually leave Bernie Moore/Carl Maddox/Natatorium and probably take over some of the old LSU golf course (which golf doesn't use either - plays at U Club) and I imagine those areas would accommodate new parking lots and practice facilities. A new outdoor track will run for no more than $20 million. Indoor might bump that up a bit more because if we want a hydraulic track, it would be a massive uptick in price. I have no clue what swimming facilities would cost.
Carl Maddox can easily convert to basketball/volleyball for whoever they want. They already have offices for T&F and it would be a simple exchange of keys, new flooring, and eventually converting the cheer practice room to a weight room. I'm speculating a lot on what exactly Carl Maddox will be turning into, but I know for a fact that T&F will not be using that facility in the next couple of years.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:40 pm to TigerWatch
It has no suites with a view of the court.
Climbing down the steps is like climbing a ladder without railings.
But none of that bothered us when I was in school at the height of the Dale Brown era. We used to pack 15,000 in there on a regular basis to watch a championship contending team.
Climbing down the steps is like climbing a ladder without railings.
But none of that bothered us when I was in school at the height of the Dale Brown era. We used to pack 15,000 in there on a regular basis to watch a championship contending team.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 10/27/23 at 12:57 am to TigerWatch
quote:
Legit question: what is so terribly wrong with it that it needs to be demolished and rebuilt?
Nothing.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 5:57 am to TigerWatch
quote:
Legit question: what is so terribly wrong with it that it needs to be demolished and rebuilt?
Yes, I’ve been in it recently.
-Narrow/Tight concourses
-Limited Concession space
-Limited Bathroom space
-Terrible viewing angles (seating goes more out than up).
-Lack of premium seating spaces ($$$ maker for LSU).
-Lake of premium concession space ($$$ maker for LSU).
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They would just have to bite the bullet and play at the River Center for a season.
I agree - move the teams to the river center for a year or two and start from scratch at the same site.
This post was edited on 10/27/23 at 6:01 am
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:42 am to TigerWatch
I've been a season ticket holder since Stromile Swift came in. I thought it was just fine too, until I visited Mizzou's arena a few weeks ago. Theirs is only ten years old and they were replacing seats already. PMAC is dated (1972), seats are ridiculously uncomfortable, and it needs to be replaced. LSU needs to go with the plan of moving the track stadium, building new PMAC there, and making a plaza where the current stadium sits.
This post was edited on 10/27/23 at 7:44 am
Posted on 10/27/23 at 8:27 am to TigerWatch
It'll never be demolished. Architects that have bid on a new arena have told the school that it's "historically significant" in terms of design and construction. All it'll ever get is a multi-million dollar facelift.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 8:29 am to TigerWatch
Nothing, except is not new and seems like every of SEC team has a newer one. Wahhh.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 9:05 am to TigerWatch
There's nothing wrong with it that some updating wouldn't accomplish. It's in the perfect location and has the practice facilities attached. It could use some suites or luxury seating.
The idea that it needs to be demolished is ridiculous.
Women's basketball just sold out the PMAC for the whole season.
The idea that it needs to be demolished is ridiculous.
Women's basketball just sold out the PMAC for the whole season.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 9:56 am to TigerWatch
The PMAC was designed and built 50 yrs ago and huge upgrade from the Cow palace. Today, the functionality and accommodations of the PMAC, doesn’t work. The same can be said as it was 50 yrs ago with the Cow Palace.
The functionality differences of the PMAC and the Cow Palace are extreme. Today’s facilities houses everything under one roof - just as the football facility does.
A new arena would provide suites, new locker rooms, permanent coach and staff offices for the men and women’s teams.
Player accommodations are non existent.
The team is now at an elite level and will always be a premier program as long as Mulkey is here. Quite possibly, even after Mulkey, there’s a chance for that momentum to continue. Top recruits are being offered outstanding facilities, such as Tennessee’s new arena.
Similar to when Saban came to LSU. He elevated the program to an elite level and along with that comes elite facilities. And after Saban left, LSU continued on that projectory.
This is a team 2 1/2 years ago, won 9 games. Mulkey comes in, elevates the team to National Champions, sells out season tickets, #1 recruiting class, and tips off her 3rd season Nov 6th ranked #1 and a favorite to win another national championship.
As a season ticket holder, it’s needed.
The functionality differences of the PMAC and the Cow Palace are extreme. Today’s facilities houses everything under one roof - just as the football facility does.
A new arena would provide suites, new locker rooms, permanent coach and staff offices for the men and women’s teams.
Player accommodations are non existent.
The team is now at an elite level and will always be a premier program as long as Mulkey is here. Quite possibly, even after Mulkey, there’s a chance for that momentum to continue. Top recruits are being offered outstanding facilities, such as Tennessee’s new arena.
Similar to when Saban came to LSU. He elevated the program to an elite level and along with that comes elite facilities. And after Saban left, LSU continued on that projectory.
This is a team 2 1/2 years ago, won 9 games. Mulkey comes in, elevates the team to National Champions, sells out season tickets, #1 recruiting class, and tips off her 3rd season Nov 6th ranked #1 and a favorite to win another national championship.
As a season ticket holder, it’s needed.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:04 am to TigerWatch
The bones are in great shape so a full demo and rebuild would be throwing away at least $50 million.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:41 am to TigerWatch
The biggest issue is that the seats are far away from the court. As a result, the atmosphere there seems really weird. It feels almost awkward to make noise unless the building is damn near full. It can get rocking, but if it’s not at least 80%, it feels like a morgue. So many smaller arenas feel wild as hell with the crowd on top of the court. The PMAC feels like a convention hall 90% of the time.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:44 am to TigerWatch
Very tall people with long legs can't fit in the seats.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 1:21 pm to TigerWatch
tPear would’ve had a new one built by now.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 2:40 pm to TigerWatch
Isn't the more relevant question: What would be your objectives for doing so? If you're in favor of replacing the PMAC, is it because:
(1) I believe it will have a significant impact on recruiting
(2) It will put basketball in the black (via suite sales)
(3) Improving fan experience should be a primary concern
(4) Ethereal concerns for "image" or "embarrassment" aren't merely appeals to emotion, but are rational arguments.
(1) I believe it will have a significant impact on recruiting
(2) It will put basketball in the black (via suite sales)
(3) Improving fan experience should be a primary concern
(4) Ethereal concerns for "image" or "embarrassment" aren't merely appeals to emotion, but are rational arguments.
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