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How Should Israel Apply the Law of Armed Conflict During the Siege of Gaza?

Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Shakey
Member since Sep 2023
107 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:27 pm
The the law of armed conflict was created by Western nations after 2 world wars entirely to protect civilians who happen to find themselves in a combat zone, not to protect enemy combatants.

Under the internationally-recognized law of war, countries are required to 1) refrain from targeting civilians directly, and 2) ensuring that any civilians deaths that do occur from attacking valid military targets is proportional to the military advantage gained from the attack.

Israel has announced they have completely shut off electric and water from Gaza. Under the law of war, this is technically allowable because the power and water arguably makes an effective contribution to Hamas' military activity; they are headquartered in Gaza and need electric and water to plan military operations.

But this will also directly affect an estimated 1.5 million civilians who are stuck in Gaza, and must be proportional to the military advantage gained under the law.

Israel has obviously decided the harm to civilians in Gaza is proportional.

My question to the board: is it? What compromise can Israel take to allow relief to civilians while also ensuring Hamas is destroyed?

Many believe Israel has the obligation to immediately establish a human rights corridor to allow the immediate evacuation of women and children. This would, however, require Israel to devote resources away from the fighting and focus on the corridor, at least in the immediate future.

Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8529 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:28 pm to
Kill them all, God will sort them out
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
3869 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:30 pm to
They should let their Army and Air Force loose and don’t hold back. Civilians will die. frick it

They didn’t cause this.
Posted by Rtowntiger
Member since Dec 2012
2020 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:32 pm to
You can't. Hamas knows that and will use their civilians as human shields. There will be collateral damage. Israel isn't playing by rules that only they follow this time.
Posted by Prole Drift
Snook, TX
Member since Oct 2021
278 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Many believe Israel has the obligation to immediately establish a human rights corridor to allow the immediate evacuation of women and children.


Can you point me toward that data?
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8330 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:46 pm to
In 2006, Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and assumed administrative control of Gaza Strip and West Bank. In 2007, Hamas led a military victory over Fatah, the secular Palestinian nationalist party, which had dominated the Palestinian National Authority.

Elections matter.
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8330 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:54 pm to
Bomb them into submission. Let the Arab countries provide civilians safe passage if they want. But Israel doesn't need to stop to let it happen. They didn't start this. Hamas knew what the blow back would be and doesn't care. So Israel should show them what not caring means.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64651 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:55 pm to
When fighting on foreign soil rules are often applied.

When fighting on home soil rules are meaningless and only victory matters.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41291 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

What compromise can Israel take to allow relief to civilians while also ensuring Hamas is destroyed?


give civilian 72 hours for safe passage into UN camp (Egypt)
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16793 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:07 pm to
Israel has given 3 days already have put out information to the citizens in Gaza routes and areas to go to get out of the way. Egypt won’t take them so they must comply with what Israel is offering.

It is the citizens choice at this time. Israel can’t stop what is coming because the terrorist win by using human shields. It’s a horrible precedent but you can’t negotiate with savages.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73532 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:20 pm to
You can't while trying to be effective.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12480 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:23 pm to
Give advance warning of about 6 hours. Go block by block and flatten everything. Clear out about 10 blocks, bring in bull dozers, rinse and repeat.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63732 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:27 pm to
Israel is doing what it can to punish and wreck Hamas while doing what is reasonable to limit civilian casualties. That’s all that can be asked of Israel.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19767 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:46 pm to
No siege. Go in and kill them all with extreme prejudice. Drop flyers on their asses telling them they have 24 hours to vacate.
Posted by Shakey
Member since Sep 2023
107 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:46 pm to
From the NSC this evening:

quote:

“We are working closely with Egypt and Israel to see if we can develop safe-passage options so that those civilians in Gaza who want to leave can leave safely,” White House National Security Council Spokesman John Kirby told The Wall Street Journal. “This isn’t their fault. They didn’t cause this. And if they want to leave, they should be allowed to leave.”
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13335 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:50 pm to
quote:

My question to the board: is it? What compromise can Israel take to allow relief to civilians while also ensuring Hamas is destroyed?
air drop them a desalinization unit for potable water with a note saying "good luck plugging it in".
Posted by Veritas
Raleigh, NC
Member since Feb 2005
6436 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:57 pm to
If the Arab world really cares about the Palestinian people, I’m sure they will be rushing to aid them.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
3681 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:02 pm to
As Achilles said to Hector in the movie Troy “There are no pacts between lions and men”.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
5490 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:08 pm to
Bomb them, shoot them, starve them, make their people’s lives miserable. I don’t care.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69301 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:12 pm to
Hamas is not the west and doesn’t follow “rules”.

I fully expect many innocent will die and have already died.

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