re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

Yeah I don’t understand it

I also don’t understand how our country benefits from sending Israel money snd support.

I’m not saying they don’t have the right to defend themselves, I just don’t understand our need to fund them.

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Yes, but does that eliminate Hamas completely from the Gaza Strip?

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No

See Afghanistan & Iraq for reference

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No

See Afghanistan & Iraq for reference

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My thoughts exactly. Israel can and should kill as much of this current crop of Hamas leaders and foot soldiers in the next few weeks, but there is no conclusion to that effort.

I grew up in the 80s-90s in two different middle Eastern nations. Relatively western ones of course, including Dubai. Even there, Israel did not exist so the word was censured and removed from the history books.

My social studies teacher had photocopies of the redacted pages covering post WWII history and passed them around to the class with explicit orders that no copies leave the room. Whatever Israel does to Hamas, something will take its place. The hatred of Israel and the Jews across the Middle East is incomprehensibly entrenched.

Also - not all heros wear uniforms. Sometimes heros are effeminate and almost certainly gay men teaching 6th grade social studies in some international school in the Middle East.

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But you said it’s the small minority that hates Jews in Gaza?

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Don't put words in my mouth. Quote where I said that. Not something else twisted into it, but where I've said THAT.

You're not going to find it. If you want to be dishonest, move goalposts, spin/twist, or flat out lie, that's on you and your character.


That link he posted shows actual data from 3 weeks ago, straight from the horse's mouth, reinforcing exactly what I've said from the beginning.

If you want to better understand the lay of the land, read it. If you want to talk out of your arse, don't.

Questions 26 and 71 lay out what I've been trying to get y'all to understand.

The highest level of support for Hamas is just 38%...and that's in Gaza.

It's only 12% in the WB and 22% overall.


Also of note is the data is bifurcated, treating WB and Gaza as separate groups. Weird that an organization that knows Palis better than anyone would do that...

So, no, all Palestinians can't be lumped together.

The very victims of the attacks, who are WAY more pissed about this than any of y'all are, aren't lumping them all together. They're hammering HAMAS in GAZA, not bombing Ramallah. It can't be any more obvious.



These are direct quotes from earlier in the thread when I was trying to explain the above:

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Do you have any evidence to support your claim that hamas doesn’t enjoy support from Palestinians besides “trust me bro”?

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Hamas has 53% popular support of Palestinians.

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The poster of those 2 quotes came back and posted actual data that directly refutes his earlier claims. And, as I told him, kudos to him for doing so - it shows honesty and a little guts.


Other nuggets that I refuted and was met with ridiculous bullshite for doing so:

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1. Hamas has overwhelming support within Palestine and the Islamic community as a whole.

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Hamas is Palestine. They are the government that runs it.

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These are clearly wrong, but don't believe me. Just look at the data that was posted.

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3 hour(s) ago

The USS Eisenhower carrier strike group will join the USS Ford carrier strike group in the eastern Mediterranean in a show of force, a senior U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News on Saturday.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin made the decision on Saturday, according to the official.

The development comes as Israeli forces are preparing to conduct a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip.

"I have directed the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group (CSG) to begin moving to the Eastern Mediterranean

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Is the move to eastern part of the Mediterranean actual new?
I kind of figured it wasn’t hanging around southern Spain when it was going to the Mediterranean.

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The poster of those 2 quotes came back and posted actual data that directly refutes his earlier claims. And, as I told him, kudos to him for doing so - it shows honesty and a little guts.

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It actually doesn’t refute it at all. Theyre two separate questions, kind of like asking “who would you vote for today out of a field of 15” vs. “do you support x”

The whole world needs to watch that

My prediction is that Israel is looking to sweep Palestinians out, starting with the north and pushing them South towards the border so that the international community will take them on as refugees.

Israel will likely try to influence western nations into accepting these refugees.

That was tough to watch. Makes me want to punch every “free Palestine” protestor square in the face and wish Israel would glass the entirety of Gaza.

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That was tough to watch. Makes me want to punch every “free Palestine” protestor square in the face and wish Israel would glass the entirety of Gaza.

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Any reasonable country would expel those folks from polite society. There is zero reason for decent Americans to share the same territory/governance/etc. with those ghouls (prominent political/media voices included).