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re: How is Christianity different from other religions?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:59 am to PapaZulu
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:59 am to PapaZulu
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You are confusing religion with relationship. Belief and faith amongst Christians is very personal and unique, from person to person, when attempted in earnest.
No, I'm not. We're discussing religions, which is the topic of the thread. Belief and faith among [insert any religion here] is very personal and unique from person to person.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:01 am to Shamoan
I don’t think genital mutilation is a big part of Christianity
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:04 am to Shamoan
Every other religion is man reaching out to God. Christianity is God reaching out to man.
And atheism is making yourself God.
And atheism is making yourself God.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 8:05 am
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:05 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Every other religion is man reaching out to God. Christianity is God reaching out to man.
I love meaningless platitudes like this. If you take religions at face value for their beliefs, it's also intrinsically wrong.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:06 am to Mo Jeaux
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No, I'm not. We're discussing religions, which is the topic of the thread. Belief and faith among [insert any religion here] is very personal and unique from person to person.
So to clarify, Is Shiite Islam a different Religion than Sunni Islam?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:09 am to PapaZulu
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So to clarify, Is Shiite Islam a different Religion than Sunni Islam?
Interesting question. That would depend on who you ask. I would argue that they are, but I fully understand arguments for saying that they are not.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:11 am to Globetrotter747
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We always have to think we’re special.
Satire, I'm guessing?
Then you typed this:
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I’ve had quite a bit of exposure to religion, and my reasons for doubting are based on more substance than 99% of people.
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I grew up in the Bible Belt and have been to dozens of countries on every inhabited continent. I have seen with my own eyes the influence of religion on culture.
Yet religion had no influence on you? Because you're special, right? Or is it that you're enlightened?
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I think Andy Dufresne in The Shawshank Redemption is a hell of character. Amazing intellect and willpower.
Superman is basically a god with humility and compassion. Very noble.
But guess what? No matter how great they are written, they are still fictional characters
So you think intellect and willpower makes a good character? So, Stalin, is he a good character? What about Hitler? What about Trump? What about any politician that made it through the gauntlet of the Ivy League? Takes an awful amount of willpower to stand in front of people and with a straight face shovel them as much shite as present day politicians? They good characters?
The irony that you'd pick Superman to make your point must be lost on you. See, in order for there to be a god on earth, and it not be the actual God, the character has to be an alien- from another realm or planet. It's because humans are not capable of being perfect. Except that there was a perfect Man that walked the earth.
Plus Superman wasn't perfect. He went back in time to save Lois- creating an alternate universe that suited him, but I digress.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:16 am to Mo Jeaux
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Interesting question. That would depend on who you ask. I would argue that they are, but I fully understand arguments for saying that they are not.
Ok, so is your understanding of what religion is the true definition? Is it the definition given in the 2023 dictionary? or the 1964 dictionary?
Also, according to your understanding were any other dieties in other religions prophesied about? and if so what did they fulfill?
Finally, what fallacy can you observe in Jesus' teaching, other than He was raised from the dead?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:18 am to Shamoan
Very simply answer: Prophecy.
Approximately 30% of the Bible's verses are phophetic. No other religious text (Quran, Vedas, etc.) contain fulfilled prophetic events. Not one.
On the other hand, the Bible's prophecies related to the Jewish people and nation of Israel that have been fulfilled with indisputable accuracy prove the veracity of God's Word. Of course, there are many other prophecies in the Bible that are not tied to Israel and the Jewish people.
Approximately 30% of the Bible's verses are phophetic. No other religious text (Quran, Vedas, etc.) contain fulfilled prophetic events. Not one.
On the other hand, the Bible's prophecies related to the Jewish people and nation of Israel that have been fulfilled with indisputable accuracy prove the veracity of God's Word. Of course, there are many other prophecies in the Bible that are not tied to Israel and the Jewish people.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:19 am to PapaZulu
Just get to the point of what you're trying to assert.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:26 am to Shamoan
As far as I know, all major religions
Involve, to some extent, a belief in what we call the supernatural.
Involve, to some extent, a belief in what we call the supernatural.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:28 am to Mo Jeaux
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Just get to the point of what you're trying to assert.
My point is, your definition of religion based on your answer about Islam is not the same as mine. I do not believe my faith or relationship checks all the boxes of anything that has been defined as a known religion.
Secondly, Prophecy. There has never been anything that comes close to the match of Biblical prophecy, and its fulfillment. Some is yet unfinished, granted. But I point you to Isaiah foretelling of Cyrus 150 years before his birth. How'd he know his name would be Cyrus? Lucky guess?
Finally, if you can find no fallacy in any of Jesus teachings or commandments, other than whether or not He was raised from the dead, are you really gonna put all your eggs in the basket that all of His teachings were correct and good, except for the one?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:32 am to Mo Jeaux
I mean there are plenty of other differences if you want to dig into it. But that is the main difference, and answers the question asked.
How is that a meaningless platitude? Is it too simple for your complex mind? Every other religion is about works bringing man closer to God. Christianity is about God's grace reaching out to us, in spite of ourselves.
How is that a meaningless platitude? Is it too simple for your complex mind? Every other religion is about works bringing man closer to God. Christianity is about God's grace reaching out to us, in spite of ourselves.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:34 am to PapaZulu
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My point is, your definition of religion based on your answer about Islam is not the same as mine. I do not believe my faith or relationship checks all the boxes of anything that has been defined as a known religion.
I mean OK. That's kind of meaningless mumbo jumbo to be honest.
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I point you to Isaiah foretelling of Cyrus 150 years before his birth. How'd he know his name would be Cyrus? Lucky guess?
No, it's not luck when the text is actually written after the time of Cyrus.
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Finally, if you can find no fallacy in any of Jesus teachings or commandments, other than whether or not He was raised from the dead, are you really gonna put all your eggs in the basket that all of His teachings were correct and good, except for the one?
Again, this is meaningless. I get that you have faith in your religious beliefs (just as millions of other adherents to other religions have faith in theirs).
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:35 am to Mo Jeaux
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No, it's not luck when the text is actually written after the time of Cyrus.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:36 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Every other religion is about works bringing man closer to God.
Not really.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:37 am to Thundercles
Wonder why every time there is a National disaster we see truckloads of supplies and "feet on the ground" from Christian Churches from around the country rushing in to help. Haven't noticed many/any of the other religions doing that.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:37 am to RCDfan1950
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The above narrative is either true or false; but in a Spiritual Universe it is an operable possibility
I have been reading CS Lewis recently and he goes substantially into the begotten and made aspect of Jesus and mankind.
In general, I suspect God doesn't send anyone to "hell". People are in "hell" simply by their choice to reject God and thus God does not exist for them. And as God is the source of everything including the source of good, lack of God is a "hell". Rejection of God is an amputation from a person's source, home, goodness, love and will occur if someone rejects God.
I also suspect even those that accept God could still themselves internally reject heaven as they judge themselves too impure/guilty to enter the presence of God's pure love. Outside the presence of God is again "hell". The internal guilt of their human actions may be enough that they cannot in good conscience accept paradise. I think Jesus/God must remove that guilt such that a person can enter heaven. (Would God/Jesus ever reject anyone asking for forgiveness and thus remove guilt from within an individual?)
I suspect guilt may be an unacceptable emotion in the presence of God or within heaven. How can heaven be paradise if guilt exists within paradise? Guilt seems an internal barrier to happiness. Mankind cannot remove its guilt but God/Jesus can.
Some of this line of thought is relatively new for me. So far though, I haven't found logical inconsistency with the basic concept of God not sending anyone to "hell" but that "hell" is our choice.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 8:47 am
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:38 am to VOR
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As far as I know, all major religions
Involve, to some extent, a belief in what we call the supernatural.
For the most part, but a lot of people believe in the supernatural without realizing it. If you think there's some sort of transcendent "right" and "wrong" you believe in the supernatural.
Religion does NOT require a God or gods; I think that's where most people get it wrong.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:40 am to Gus007
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Wonder why every time there is a National disaster we see truckloads of supplies and "feet on the ground" from Christian Churches from around the country rushing in to help. Haven't noticed many/any of the other religions doing that.
Are you being serious?
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