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Custodial Account Funds- Schwab

Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:28 am
Posted by LSUisKING12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
321 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:28 am
I’m looking for some recommendations on investment funds for two custodial accounts through Schwab. Accounts are basically wedding funds for our daughters, have about 20+ years for the funds to grow. I’d prefer low maintenance as I’m not the savviest investor. Was thinking just a basic S&P 500 or a 2040 target index fund. Any recommendations welcome.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7861 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:35 am to
No need for a target date fund for kids. Do one of the ETFs that track the S&P and forget about it.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126965 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 9:23 am to
SWPPX is Schwab's S&P 500 Index mutual fund.

Very low fees (.020%) and no loads or commissions to buy or sell.

EDIT: I've had my children's funds in SWPPX for over 20 years and this mutual funds does a good job of mirroring the S&P500 Index. If you sell units in the fund in order to raise cash for a withdrawal, the funds are available for withdrawal the next day.
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 10:15 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85137 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:22 am to
quote:

I’m looking for some recommendations on investment funds for two custodial accounts through Schwab. Accounts are basically wedding funds for our daughters, have about 20+ years for the funds to grow.


How old are your daughters. Custodial accounts will be turned over to them at the age of majority (18) in a state like LA. The wedding fund now may not pan out as such.
Posted by LSUisKING12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
321 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 11:00 am to
quote:

SWPPX


Thanks. This was how I was leaning but wanted to hear some other ideas.

As for age, they are under 10. I understand at 18 I will lose ownership over the account and understand the risks. We don’t plan to disclose it to them and if they do discover it, it will be made clear that this is our contribution towards weddings/future. Just want the market to work for us in the mean time.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2821 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 11:21 am to
For 20+ years, you might want to compare a total market index fund vs. SP500. I think schwab as both types.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2136 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 11:22 am to
Why not use a 529? You can convert up to $35k to Roth IRA and Roth contributions can be withdrawn tax and penalty free. Custodial account will count against them on FAFSA more than parental assets too.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4543 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

Why not use a 529? You can convert up to $35k to Roth IRA and Roth contributions can be withdrawn tax and penalty free.

In Louisiana?
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2136 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:35 pm to
Yes, it is Federal law SECURE Act 2.0 enacted this change starting in '24. Fidelity: 529 to Roth rollover
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
14324 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 1:13 pm to
VTI
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4543 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 5:01 pm to
quote:

Yes, it is Federal law SECURE Act 2.0 enacted this change starting in '24. Fidelity: 529 to Roth rollover


Good to know! Thanks!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85137 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 5:15 pm to
Keep in mind the 529 to Roth “conversion” is only applicable up to yearly Roth contribution limits. In other words, you can’t convert a $50k 529 in one year. It would take at least 8 years at the current limits of 6.5k.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2136 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 5:58 pm to
Good point and you can only convert $35k. Could serve as an added incentive to wait a few years of conversions before that big wedding and deter getting hitched at 18 or 19.
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 5:59 pm
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2136 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 6:03 pm to
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We don’t plan to disclose it to them

People always say this but how do you handle the taxes? After 18 they're responsible for tax on any distributions. Unless you invest it all in non dividend stocks there's inevitably going to be some annual tax liability. In the worst case scenario where you dont want the kid to have access because of poor life choices this could become a problem.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85137 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

As for age, they are under 10. I understand at 18 I will lose ownership over the account and understand the risks. We don’t plan to disclose it to them and if they do discover it, it will be made clear that this is our contribution towards weddings/future. Just want the market to work for us in the mean time


Then why not just keep it with your money?

People make this more complicated than it needs to be. Invest your money as you see fit then gift your daughters whatever you want when the time is right. Don’t enter into a fiduciary relationship that you fully intend to violate from day 1
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 6:16 pm
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15976 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 5:32 am to
Saving for retirement is important for the future.
If you have enough for retirement, your kids won’t have to help you.

529 is probably a good idea. Can be used for college or converted to Roth(up to annual limits starting in 2024.

An extravagant wedding is a nice day, but some couples might prefer a smaller wedding. I guess you could gift the couple money over the years(up to the limit of the gift tax).

Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4543 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:49 am to
That's no problem. The fact that it can be converted to be utilized in a different vehicle is exciting to me, and actually makes me think about my allocation a bit as it relates to this entire topic.

Instead of doing a custodial account, due to the uncertainties that have been expressed in this thread, I decided to invest into one of my own normal brokerage accounts that I wasn't using and treat it as an investment account for my kids. WHEN THE TIME COMES I can gift them whatever shares I see fit.

But.. now that I know I can convert left over 529 funds to a Roth, I will look into diverting those brokerage account funds and allocating a more aggressively toward their 529s.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
226 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:34 am to
Make sure you max out your Roth first. You can withdraw your Roth contributions at any time. If you fully fund a Roth for twenty years or so you could withdraw $130 K to pay for weddings, or college, or whatever. If you will be over 59 1/2 at that time, you'd have full access to your Roth tax free. It makes absolutely no sense to save for them until you have done this, other, than of course, to teach them about savings and investing, but you wanted to keep this secret?

Alternatively, if you have plenty of money in an IRA now, convert a chunk of it to Roth. You can get it in five years if you are younger than 59.5. It will then grow for 20+ years and if you don't like the dude (hopefully) she picks, you don't have to give her anything and in the meantime the growth will be in your Roth.

Start a Roth for your wife also.

The Roth is a great fit to a situation like this because all alternatives use after tax money, so the tax implications are pretty much the same. The best solution might actually be to maximize your tax deferred 401K and IRA options, and then convert the money to Roth you anticipate needing at least five years before you need it. Gives you maximum flexibility, with maybe maximum tax advantage.
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 10:47 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85137 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Instead of doing a custodial account, due to the uncertainties that have been expressed in this thread, I decided to invest into one of my own normal brokerage accounts that I wasn't using and treat it as an investment account for my kids. WHEN THE TIME COMES I can gift them whatever shares I see fit.


Seems like a good decision based on what you’ve said here. Also, you’re free to gift them whatever money you’d like. In other words, if “their” earmarked account is worth $75k with $50k in unrealized gains, nothing really stops you from gifting them $75k of another asset that may be more advantageous for them to sell. Keep the big picture in mind whenever the time comes and don’t get tunnel vision on “their” specific account.
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