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re: Confrontation over Deer
Posted on 8/13/23 at 4:28 pm to Taxman2010
Posted on 8/13/23 at 4:28 pm to Taxman2010
Likely nothing to do with a deer, but with some type of property owned by white shirt. You people who think you can just shoot some on your property, even in the 'Sip, when the person is not physically threatening you, you may want to talk to a defense lawyer (or the county DA). These are not open-and-shut, clear-cut cases, any person who teaches concealed carry will tell you that, plus if you do pull the trigger it's going to cost thousands in legal fees plus a civil lawsuit from the deceased family.
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:07 pm to TutHillTiger
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TutHillTiger
Good Lord...
Posted on 8/14/23 at 8:32 am to Turnblad85
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I was pretty amazed at the amount OT'ers saying the 2x4 wielder was in the wrong.
I think he will probably have some explaining to do and hope he doesn't have an overly aggressive DA. He threatened the guy with hitting him while he was standing there.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 8:38 am to TigerDeacon
Aggravated Battery on 2 x 4 guy
Agg. Battery on shovel guy
Simple assault & tresspass on
White shirt.
Agg. Battery on shovel guy
Simple assault & tresspass on
White shirt.
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/14/23 at 9:49 am to jcdogfish
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agree the guy should not have gone to the other peoples house, but greeting someone in your driveway with a gun and a shovel, swatting at his finger with the 2x4, then cracking him with a shovel for taking a step is a little over the top. He probably deserved a good but kicking but not getting hit with a 2x4 and a shovel.
Nobody who comes aggressively into your yard threatening you deserves a fair fight.
Now, if you have legitimately wronged the man or his loved ones, then maybe morality would not be on your side, but as a practical matter, people cannot be allowed to do what white shirt man was attempting to do.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:10 am to Taxman2010
To me, it seems that this was not the first confrontation these folks had. For it to escalate that quickly it seems to have had some history to it.
If it's a trespass issue then you need to get the proper law authorities involved, period.
If it's a trespass issue then you need to get the proper law authorities involved, period.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:44 am to Turnblad85
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I was pretty amazed at the amount OT'ers saying the 2x4 wielder was in the wrong. From my point of view, man shows up at someone elses house and is talking shite. Then takes a step toward the old man before he gets wacked
based on the video, which we all are going off off, him and the shovel guy is the only one committing battery. Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:45 pm to Taxman2010
All that bullshite over deer hunting. What a bunch of losers!!
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:56 pm to deltaland
quote:Lets face it, an IED going off in the middle of all of em coulda helped society. Aside from the woman calling for the ambulance.
1. Never go on someone’s property to start an altercation regardless if you’re justified in your anger
2. Old man with 2x4 appeared to only want to keep him at bay and make him leave. He swung when the guy stepped too close. Reasonable action
3. Skinny guy was egging it on and trying to escalate things and just being a redneck. Shovel was unnecessary imo after the guy was already bleeding pretty bad and not much of a threat. I’d argue it was excessive and assault at that point
4. Guy destroyed property intentionally when leaving, which is a crime regardless of if his anger is justified or not
Now, the dude that exchanged the gun for the shovel, then swong the business end at his head makes no sense, it is as if he know he didnt want to go to jail, made a decent rational decision to rid himself of the pew pew machine, yet still atacked him with a shovel twice.
That man has been in a shovel fight before, he knew it probably wouldnt kill him.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 1:44 pm to tigerfoot
Forget the legal consequences . . . I just want to know what is in the back of the side by side that it worth getting cracked over the head with a 2x4 and shovel multiple times.
Call me soft if you want, but after one crack to the head and guy says, "He's alright, don't worry about him" I'm getting out of dodge.
Call me soft if you want, but after one crack to the head and guy says, "He's alright, don't worry about him" I'm getting out of dodge.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 1:50 pm to Nannyslayer
Prob an 80 lb doe.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 2:20 pm to Nannyslayer
Spotted Fawn...
Posted on 8/14/23 at 9:44 pm to mcpotiger
As wrong as they all were from start to finish its not what someone deserves. It's about the legal side of it. If someone is breaking in your car and you leave the safety of your house with a gun in your hand you kicked it up a notch. If the guy then attacks you and you shoot him, as crazy as it sounds its gonna cost you at minimum tens of thousands of $$ to possibly time in prison. A shoving match or even fist fights will be viewed a lot different than coming out to greet that situation with a 2x4 and a gun. Now if the guy in the white shirt started beating up on the older guy the younger guy would probably be ok to grab the shovel and bang him in the head to prevent serious injury or death to the older guy. As crazy as that seems that's how its been explained to me in the last few CC classes. I see someone mentioned CC insurance in a post. I suggest some of ya'll look into that........
I'd love to know what was worth getting killed over
I'd love to know what was worth getting killed over
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:23 pm to Taxman2010
After OB comments and a rewatch, white shirt dude and pistol dude had already had altercation previously.
No one welcomes someone with a 2x4/pistol, that just pulls up to talk/ask for information in your driveway.
Pistol/shovel boy, repeatly said you not going to touch me "again", which insuates an earlier confortation lead to white shirt getting the better of pistol boys arse. Which is why old man "who obviously knew who white shirt was" came out with 2x4 and pistol boy with pistol.
Now, I'm the furtherest thing from a sheriff, DA or lawyer, but the fact pistol boy traded the gun "if he really felt threathen" to a shovel proves he just wanted to inflict harm to white shirt. Otherwise he woulda shot white shirt dead on the spot.
No one welcomes someone with a 2x4/pistol, that just pulls up to talk/ask for information in your driveway.
Pistol/shovel boy, repeatly said you not going to touch me "again", which insuates an earlier confortation lead to white shirt getting the better of pistol boys arse. Which is why old man "who obviously knew who white shirt was" came out with 2x4 and pistol boy with pistol.
Now, I'm the furtherest thing from a sheriff, DA or lawyer, but the fact pistol boy traded the gun "if he really felt threathen" to a shovel proves he just wanted to inflict harm to white shirt. Otherwise he woulda shot white shirt dead on the spot.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:32 am to tigerfoot
quote:my guess is white shirt harvested the basket rack 5-pt that was comin to mammaendeddies backyard feeder.
Prob an 80 lb doe.
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 9:33 am
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:44 am to jcdogfish
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If someone is breaking in your car and you leave the safety of your house with a gun in your hand you kicked it up a notch. If the guy then attacks you and you shoot him, as crazy as it sounds its gonna cost you at minimum tens of thousands of $$ to possibly time in prison.
That depends on what state you’re in.
In TN, if someone is breaking into your car, they’re fair game.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 12:34 pm to bbvdd
So in Tennessee you can leave the safety of your home and go outside and shoot someone breaking into your car?? If you are in your car here it is like your house. Which means when the guy with the shovel, after hitting him with it, smashed the truck window he was probably fair game.
Interesting discussion, and interesting to see how different people see the situation. Could have easily had a few dead over this.
Interesting discussion, and interesting to see how different people see the situation. Could have easily had a few dead over this.
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:05 pm to jcdogfish
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leave the safety of your home and go outside and shoot someone breaking into your car?
I think its more like, if you go out with a gun and that person has a gun or knife or "something in his pocket" and wants to fight/aggressive, you can blast away. And imo, thats the way it should be. But you can't just walk out there and shoot him as he's leaning over hot-wiring (unfortunately
). quote:This is for sure. I feel confident in the way I think about the situation from a moral and legal standpoint but also recognize about half the people feel opposite as I do. Usually when half feel one way and half feel another, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Guess that's why good lawyers make the big bucks.
Interesting discussion, and interesting to see how different people see the situation. Could have easily had a few dead over this.
Oh fyi, someone who is supposedly in MS law enforcement over on the OT thread said this situation wasn't about a deer it was a property line dispute. The vid has been passed around the leo circles for a while.
That would make more sense giving it looks like springtime. Doesn't really change much but just a correction.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:44 pm to jcdogfish
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So in Tennessee you can leave the safety of your home and go outside and shoot someone breaking into your car??
Welp, I'm wrong.
Only if you are in the car. Then you can defend yourself.
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