re: This is a good indicator that electric cars will never be a thing

Is there even any data to support the OPs claim?

I don't follow the forklift market (despite formerly being forklift certified for almost 8 years) to even know what the market share is like.

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Every locomotive you see on mainline rail is powering the wheels with electric motors. They are by far the best choice for heavy hauling.

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Dat torque yo! Which is why semis will eventually be electric. Maybe not for quite a few years still, but it's going to happen. The torque benefits are just too strong. That will then trickle down to the baws who need to tow their toys.

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Again note my caveat about energy storage that started my post, that is very important not to overlook. While I didn't say it I was referring to piston ICE only.


By Land: heavy large loads semis carry.

Every locomotive you see on mainline rail is powering the wheels with electric motors. They are by far the best choice for heavy hauling.

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I'm not even opposed to electric cars and transportation in theory but that pesky energy storage concept is a flat deal breaker. I agree they are better in terms of power and simplicity, but the energy required to push them where they need to go, and the time spent "refueling" is an absolute deal breaker. I tow enough trailers and haul enough stuff in my truck that it flat out isn't feasible. Omitting the energy aspect is like saying an El Camino was a good truck.

Even locomotives require the energy source to be something other than a charged battery.

I wouldn't go as far to say that they'll NEVER get the logistics behind the battery figured out, but we're nowhere near there yet. I'd even venture to say 10 years it might be marginally closer but nowhere near.

Also, they won't give up the gas tax revenue. But they will tax your energy usage at a much higher clip which is going to affect your life WAY more.

I also understand that only part of my post is addressing what you're saying, and the rest is just conjecture.

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But they will tax your energy usage at a much higher clip which is going to affect your life WAY more.

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In Idaho, if you have a hybrid you have an additional fee added to your registration. If it's full electric, an even bigger fee.

Government gonna get their money, one way or another.

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Energy storage is the only large advantage ICE engines have for electric cars which is what the OP was making the point about.

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Honda is DUMPING money into their off-road electric vehicles.

Specifically into easy battery swap tech. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.

For those wondering why... Real abuse situations. They'll test in offroad BEFORE it goes to autos.

All true.

I’d like to see more info on how the batteries are made because everything I’ve read is all over the place re: ecological friendliness

Convenience is the main barrier right now. A massive part of the population can’t just charge em up in their garage.

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Is there even any data to support the OPs claim?

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I don't know about the forklift claim but there is certainly data to refute the claim that electric cars will never be a thing...

They already are a thing, right?

The pace they are gaining market share is surprising even the most bullish estimates from 30 years ago.