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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/14/23 at 8:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/14/23 at 8:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
No it’s more that trading a potential MVP for someone who has no chance of ever becoming even close to one is dumb. Are any of us happy about Zions health? Of course not. The best path to a title is not to trade your best player, it’s to go and get other teams’ best player. Show me one example of a team trading their best player and it every leading to a title. This is not the NFL 4 quarters don’t make a dollar
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:04 pm to WaydownSouth
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You are right. If I were Houston I wouldn’t want to nuke my core for an overweight pre-madonna fat frick that will never play a full season.
If you think that would be a bad trade for us, you might be the one that needs to lay of the crack pipe
quote:
pre-madonna
lay of the crack pipe
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
You mad bro!
This isn't even as serious as you are taking it to be in your feelings this bad.
You are right, you are free to post whatever you like but don't get mad when others on the message board roast you over stuff like that tweet you posted. I was just giving you a heads up. You talking about my brain being misled but you posted a fake news tweet from a unreliable source
I wasn't confused by anything if I pointed out to you the tweet was fake. And you still stand by it. The point I was making was that so much is posted in here for someone who may not frequent this message board often but just so happen to browse through and see the tweet and think it's real news. If you got out of your feelings you would understand that. I sincerely hope in the future you don't take message board convo so seriously.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:16 pm to PrayingMantis
Yeah you don’t trade your best player UNLESS because of health issues he never plays. You can’t just forget the fact that being the best player on the team is useless if you can’t be on the court. The dude is constantly injured, he hasn’t put back to back seasons of playing more than 30 games in a season together and you’re sitting here talking about path to a title. Lol this guy hasn’t even led us to the playoffs because hes never available. He played what 25 games last year at an elite level and you’re ready to talk about potential MVPs and path to a title. Due to the past 4 years, has it occurred to you that this dude may never be fully healthy and have constant injuries? Considering his injury history- why is there this automatic assumption that he obviously will be like Embiid? What if he never gets it- and the injuries, immaturity issues, conditioning- maybe this is who he is.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:19 pm to LusciousBaller11
Im not mad bro. Are you ok? I honestly was trying to help your brain out because you easily get so confused by message board posts. I mean I’m just giving you a heads up bro. I hope you didn’t get in your feelings bro. If you got out of your feelings bro you would understand on how not to get confused on message boards. Im sure its not easy with all these words you have to read. Again just giving you a heads up bro. Im here for you!
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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What if he never gets it- and the injuries, immaturity issues, conditioning- maybe this is who he is.
…and what if he does get it? And he’s just had some seriously shitty bad luck with injuries these first few years and he gets it together with the next team he’s on?
We are running with Zion and gonna live and die by his health. He is good enough to lead this team to the championship and I would be very surprised if he is traded before year 3 into his new contract, by which time if nothing has changed, we will have tried and tried again and got no where…and people will be fine with it as we’ll have given it a good chance to work.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:26 pm to England_Pelican
We?- you mean the fan base? What about the pelicans front office who have actual jobs on the line? You think Griffin is telling his staff “We are running with Zion, we’re gonna live and die by his health” lol Yeah I highly doubt that. Hes had 4 years to see if things would change. Its not shitty bad luck when your arse is overweight and your conditioning sucks that you can’t return from injuries. But you know frick it, the pels are gonna live abd die by his health lol
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You think Griffin is telling his staff “We are running with Zion, we’re gonna live and die by his health” lol
No I think he’s restructuring his medical team and processes to create and environment that invests in and helps Zion be the best player he can be… which is one that can lead this franchise to the finals.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:It'll be even worse if they trade him, and he doesn't continue to have health issues, so it's still on the line either way.
What about the pelicans front office who have actual jobs on the line?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:47 pm to England_Pelican
Didn’t he do that by bringing Aaron Nelson when Zion first got here? didn’t they already redo their health menu/ cafeteria to provide healthier choices to their players? I mean why do we act like the pelicans haven’t done everything possible to invest in this guy from the beginning?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:47 pm to Pels_Yaz
Ok clown!
I see your sarcasm is as bad as your understanding and comprehension. When the next time you post something as stupid as that tweet and everybody gets on your case don't say you wasn't warned. I'll still be over here laughing at you as I have been. LOL
It's ok bro I know you still mad because what I said about your little tweet offended you. Hopefully you'll get over it. I'm Here For You! LOL
I see your sarcasm is as bad as your understanding and comprehension. When the next time you post something as stupid as that tweet and everybody gets on your case don't say you wasn't warned. I'll still be over here laughing at you as I have been. LOL
It's ok bro I know you still mad because what I said about your little tweet offended you. Hopefully you'll get over it. I'm Here For You! LOL
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:49 pm to PrayingMantis
Has anyone brought up that the Pelicans changed their FB cover photo to a game picture without Zion?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:49 pm to Pels_Yaz
I’m probably the wrong person to ask. I’d be open to moving Z for a variety of packages. I think it’s better to extract value where there still is some rather than waiting for it to possibly go to zero. I am in the minority on this though.
Here is an attempt at some realistically valued packages (for both teams) that I’d consider other than Scoot/Charlotte
Sengun & pick 4 for Zion and Pick 14
Sengun and Eason for Zion
Chet and a lightly prot 1st for Zion
Giddey and 2 firsts for Zion
Maxey, Tobias, and a 1st for Zion
Cade C & Salary(Bojan), Duren for Zion & 14
JJJ for Zion
Bam for Zion
Jaylen Brown and 2 firsts for Zion (Jaylen is an expiring that qualifies for a super max so I’d need extra)
Poole, Moody, Kuminga, and multiple picks for Zion.
Mikal Bridges for Zion and Pick 14
Pick #3 and Sharpe for Zion & Pick 14
Probably some more I could be talked into. That’s just off the top of my head.
Obviously I’d love guys like Haliburton or Ant Edwards, but they don’t seem like realistic gets imo. They would be my pie in the sky targets.
Here is an attempt at some realistically valued packages (for both teams) that I’d consider other than Scoot/Charlotte
Sengun & pick 4 for Zion and Pick 14
Sengun and Eason for Zion
Chet and a lightly prot 1st for Zion
Giddey and 2 firsts for Zion
Maxey, Tobias, and a 1st for Zion
Cade C & Salary(Bojan), Duren for Zion & 14
JJJ for Zion
Bam for Zion
Jaylen Brown and 2 firsts for Zion (Jaylen is an expiring that qualifies for a super max so I’d need extra)
Poole, Moody, Kuminga, and multiple picks for Zion.
Mikal Bridges for Zion and Pick 14
Pick #3 and Sharpe for Zion & Pick 14
Probably some more I could be talked into. That’s just off the top of my head.
Obviously I’d love guys like Haliburton or Ant Edwards, but they don’t seem like realistic gets imo. They would be my pie in the sky targets.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:51 pm to shel311
Thats a good point. I wont refute that there is big risk involved in trading him as well. My point which I don’t understand why some members on this board dont get, is previous health history has told us that its also a big risk to stay invested in a guy that hasn’t shown the ability to stay healthy. Is that crazy to think about trading a guy who has shown he cant stay healthy? If they decide to stay invested in him thats fine but its also plausible to trade him and not seem like a crazy idea that people cant seem to fathom.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:51 pm to Soggymoss
Lol, earlier today I say to that guy “the rest league doesn’t value Zion as highly as we do and they’re going to try to fleece us in any trade. It would be stupid to trade him at his lowest value.” Yet somehow he appears to have retained something far different.
Zion’s ceiling hasn’t changed. He still has the potential to be a multi-time MVP, which about as high as it gets. Words like “potential” and “ceiling” do not take into consideration potential injuries that could occur in the future.
His trade stock is as low as it’s ever been, but his potential ceiling is the same. Trading him would be silly
Zion’s ceiling hasn’t changed. He still has the potential to be a multi-time MVP, which about as high as it gets. Words like “potential” and “ceiling” do not take into consideration potential injuries that could occur in the future.
His trade stock is as low as it’s ever been, but his potential ceiling is the same. Trading him would be silly
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:52 pm to LusciousBaller11
Yeah ok bro. Go Southern!
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:55 pm to tzimme4
Uh oh. That may not be pertinent information and people may think you’re showing undue criticism towards the pelicans organization, you may want to delete that post.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:59 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
“Words like “potential” and “ceiling” do not take into consideration potential injuries that could occur in the future.”
This is absolutely wrong. Injury history and likelihood of injuries are absolutely considered in regards to a player’s ceiling and potential. Health and availability are huge factors for a players potential. You literally just made this up lol
This is absolutely wrong. Injury history and likelihood of injuries are absolutely considered in regards to a player’s ceiling and potential. Health and availability are huge factors for a players potential. You literally just made this up lol
Posted on 6/14/23 at 10:02 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
You talk about knowing basketball but outside of Pels you don’t know squat. I mean Scoot was a highly touted prospect and you were shocked he was in the gleague for 2 years. Come on man- people have talked about this kid for the past year if you follow basketball.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 10:43 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Pels_Yaz
Your posts might make up 40% of this thread. Are you this passionate of a Pels Fan or are you a member of the media? Some of your remarks sound very similar to a MM who once patrolled these boards. Obvious alter of some sort.
Anyway…glad to read through this thread with what would be a normal boring off season. I’m glad Pels are making waves, but there are a lot of varying opinions of the right direction.
No one knows what the correct path may be. That’s why we have to leave it to the professionals (I guess). We have seen glimpses of what this team looks like healthy and thriving. I am the ultimate optimist, but it is hard to keep saying, “wait until we finally get healthy.”
iMO, Giving up BI is an obvious wrong route. The dude lives, eats, and breathes ball. He is our undisputed leader at this point. That toe injury may have thrown off some attitudes of fans, but constantly pushing off an injured toe is hell. I understand that discomfort take a while to work through. The way BI went on a tear at the end of the season shows his true character.
Zion’s shown his potential at being The Guy. He is still 22, but when does that light switch on for him to realize what he has to do to elevate himself and this team to their ultimate potential?
I’d love to see this team finally click and show out, but if Griff can get a great package from Charlotte that includes Z and ships him to the Eastern conference, I finally may come around and agree that’s the best route at this point.
The next week and a half will be interesting.
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